[CALL TO ORDER]
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WE'LL CALL THIS REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING DECEMBER 17TH, 2020 FOR COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER. IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. COMMISSIONER CROSBY. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER BRADFIELD. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER CARROLL. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER PIECE. YES, MA'AM. CHAIRMAN. MOORE. YES, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT. THE INVOCATION WILL BE BY PASTOR KYLE SCHUETZ WITH A PLEDGE BY MARK MORRISSEY. WOULD PLEASE STAND. GOOD MORNING. LET'S PRAY. HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS BEAUTIFUL DAY IN BAY COUNTY. WE THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THESE LEADERS AND SO MANY PEOPLE WORKING DILIGENTLY TO MAKE OUR COMMUNITY A BETTER PLACE. LORD, LET THIS MEETING AND THE THINGS THAT WE DO MOVING FORWARD CONTINUE TO BE GOVERNED BY YOUR TRUTH AND YOUR WORD AND THE PRINCIPLES THAT MADE THIS PLACE FOR WHAT IT IS TODAY. BLESS THIS TIME AND HELP US AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN YOUR NAME. AMEN. AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU GENTLEMEN. COULD GET
[APPROVAL OF AGENDA (Additions or Deletions)]
APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA. ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS? NOTHING FROM STAFF, MR. CHAIRMAN. ALL RIGHT. COULD I GET A MOTION AND A SECOND? MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND.MULTIPLE MOTIONS. AND SECOND, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. COMMISSIONER CARROLL. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER. PEACE. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER CROSBY. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER REDFIELD.
YES, MA'AM. CHAIRMAN MOORE. YES, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT. NEXT, WE HAVE PRESENTATIONS. AND IF Y'ALL
[PRESENTATIONS]
HAVEN'T MET COMMISSIONER REDFIELD YET, WE'VE DESIGNATED HIM TO DO THIS BECAUSE HE'S KIND OF SHY, AND WE'RE WANTING TO GET HIM OUT OF HIS BOX A LITTLE BIT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.I HAVE TO FORGIVE ME. TODAY IS MY FIRST DAY OF READERS, SO I'M BRAND NEW TO THIS. MISTER NATHAN WEST, WILL YOU COME FORWARD, PLEASE? I'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED TALKING ABOUT MISTER NATHAN. NATHAN WEST FOLKS STARTED WORKING FOR THE BAY COUNTY ROAD AND BRIDGES DIVISION ON DECEMBER THE 29TH, 1994 AS A MAINTENANCE WORKER. THROUGH HIS EXCEPTIONAL SKILLS AND STRONG WORK ETHIC, NATHAN HAS PROGRESSED TO THE POSITION OF CREW LEADER FOR THE ASPHALT CREW. IN THIS ROLE, HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DAILY MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR OF OVER 500 MILES OF ROADWAYS WITHIN BAY COUNTY. OVER THE PAST 30 YEARS, NATHAN HAS PROVEN TO BE AN INVALUABLE ASSET TO THE ROADS AND BRIDGES DIVISION. WE EXTEND OUR SINCERE GRATITUDE, SIR, FOR YOUR DEDICATED SERVICES TO THE CITIZENS OF BAY COUNTY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. SIR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. MISTER DAVID KELLY, WILL YOU COME UP, PLEASE? MISTER. DAVID. MIKE KELLY STARTED WORKING WITH THE BAY COUNTY ROAD AND BRIDGES DIVISION ON DECEMBER 28TH, 1989. I WAS NINE YEARS OLD THEN, SIR. AS A MECHANIC AND WELDER OVER THE PAST 35 YEARS, HE HAS PLAYED A VITAL ROLE IN THE DAILY MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR OF BAY COUNTY'S EQUIPMENT AND STRUCTURAL ASSETS. WE SINCERELY, SIR. APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE TO BAY COUNTY AND TO THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTY. SIR, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE. YES, SIR. THANK YOU, MISTER CHAIRMAN. RIGHT. NEXT, WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. THIS IS OPEN TO ANY ITEM ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA. IF ANYONE HAS ANYTHING TO SAY. SEEING NONE. CLOSE THAT OUT. AND
[CONSENT AGENDA]
CONSENT AGENDA. MISTER COUNTY MANAGER. YES, SIR. MISTER. COMMISSIONERS. I'M SORRY, MISTER CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS, GOOD MORNING. ON YOUR CONSENT AGENDA TODAY UNDER THE CLERK OF COURTS.ITEM ONE. REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES AND INVENTORY, DELETIONS, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD. ACKNOWLEDGE OR SEE THE REPORTS AND APPROVE INVENTORY DELETIONS UNDER THE BUDGET OFFICE. THE ITEM TWO FY 2025 BUDGET AMENDMENT. STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. THE BOARD ADOPT A RESOLUTION AMENDING THE FISCAL YEAR 2425 BUDGET UNDER COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ITEM THREE, FY 2025 FEES AND FINES. SCHEDULE UPDATE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD. ADOPT A RESOLUTION TO UPDATE THE FISCAL YEAR 2024 2025. FEES AND FINES. SCHEDULE.
THIS IS A TEXT ADJUSTMENT ONLY. NO FEES OR FINES ARE BEING MODIFIED UNDER THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. ITEM FOUR ACCESS EASEMENT FOR FANNIN CEMETERY. STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. THE BOARD APPROVED THE ACCESS EASEMENT FOR DORINDA AND DAVE'S. I APOLOGIZE IF I PRONOUNCE THIS INCORRECTLY CITY AND AUTHORIZE THE CHAIRMAN TO EXECUTE. SAME ITEM FIVE LEASE RENEWALS FOR DISTRICT OFFICES. STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. THE BOARD APPROVED THE LEASE
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RENEWALS FOR THE DISTRICT OFFICES OF SENATOR TRUMBULL AND CONGRESSMAN DUNN, LOCATED IN THE BAY COUNTY GOVERNMENT CENTER, AND AUTHORIZED THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN SAME UNDER EMERGENCY SERVICES. ITEM SIX COMPUTER AIDED DISPATCH SYSTEM STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. THE BOARD AUTHORIZED THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN AND EXECUTE THE COMPUTER AIDED DISPATCH AGREEMENT WITH CENTRAL SQUARE AND AUTHORIZE STAFF TO COMPLY WITHIN THE SCOPE OF WORK UNDER PUBLIC WORKS. ITEM SEVEN REDWOOD AVENUE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS CONTRACT AWARD. STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. THE BOARD AWARD CONTRACT 2450 REDWOOD AVENUE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT TO XQ, LLC, IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,843,350.21 AND AUTHORIZE THE CHAIRMAN TO EXECUTE AND MODIFY THE CONTRACT AS APPROVED BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. ITEM EIGHT WEST LINGER LONGER ROAD EASEMENT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. THE BOARD ACCEPT AND APPROVE GRANTING EASEMENTS TO GULF COAST ELECTRIC ELECTRIC COOPERATIVE, INC. AUTHORIZE THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN THE EASEMENT, CONVEYANCE INSTRUMENT, AND RECORD WITH THE CLERK OF COURT. ITEM NINE FY 25 PRE RESURFACING PIPE LINING PROJECT TASK ORDER. STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. THE BOARD APPROVED THE FY 25 PIPELINING PHASE ONE TASK ORDER, AND THE AMOUNT OF $411,030 AND AUTHORIZE THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN THE TASK ORDER. PB 2403 AND ANY MODIFICATION AS APPROVED BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY UNDER THE TDC.ITEM TEN PUBLIC PUBLIC SPORTS PARK FIELD CONVERSION FROM GRASS TO ARTIFICIAL TURF. STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. THE BOARD ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE TDC TO CONVERT THREE FIELDS AT THE PUBLIC SPORTS PARK FROM NATURAL GRASS TO ARTIFICIAL TURF, AND ISSUE A PURCHASE ORDER OF THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED 4,000,044 $46,613 TO ASTROTURF CORPORATION UNDER UTILITY SERVICES ITEM 11 INVOICE CLOUD AGREEMENT. STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD AWARD AND AGREEMENT WITH INVOICE CLOUD AND AUTHORIZE THE CHAIRMAN TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT AND MAKE ANY NECESSARY MODIFICATIONS AS APPROVED BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT IS YOUR CONSENT AGENDA THIS MORNING, AND STAFF RESPECTFULLY REQUEST A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
MOTION. MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. MOTION. AND SECOND. IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
COMMISSIONER CARROLL. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER CROSBY. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER. RAFAEL.
YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER PIECE. YES, MA'AM. CHAIRMAN MOORE. YES, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT. THAT MOVES US
[Public Works]
TO REGULAR AGENDA. THAT WOULD BE FIRST THING. ITEM 12 UNDER PUBLIC WORKS IS COLLEGE STATION PHASE THREE B PLAT APPROVAL. MR. CHAIRMAN. WELL, MISS JOSIE WALKS UP. MY FIRM. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS PROJECT, BUT WE ARE DOING WORK FOR THE APPLICANT, SO THEREFORE I WILL BE RECUSING. YES, SIR. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. THE COLLEGE STATION PHASE THREE B PLAT APPROVAL. THE DEVELOPER IS REQUESTING FINAL APPROVAL FOR THE PLAT OF COLLEGE STATION. THE SUBDIVISION CONSISTS OF TEN RESIDENTIAL LOTS ALONG AN EXISTING COUNTY ROADWAY. THE UTILITY EASEMENTS AND COMMON AREAS WILL REMAIN PRIVATE. THE DEVELOPER. THE DEVELOPMENT WAS REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING ON JANUARY 14TH, 2021. THE SUBDIVISION IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF CHAPTER 177 ZERO 71, FLORIDA STATUTE AND BAY COUNTY REGULATIONS. THE DEVELOPER HAS PROVIDED A PERFORMANCE BOND FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE AMOUNT OF $200,809.40. WE REQUEST THAT THE BOARD APPROVE THE FINAL PLAT FOR THE COLLEGE STATION. PHASE THREE B SUBDIVISION, AND AUTHORIZE STAFF TO RECORD THE DEVELOPMENT PERFORMANCE BOND WITH THE CLERK. QUESTIONS FOR JOSE. AND COULD I GET A MOTION? MOTION. ALL RIGHT.GOT A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT. IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
COMMISSIONER. PEACE. YES. COMMISSIONER. RAFAEL. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER CROSBY. YES, MA'AM. CHAIRMAN MOORE. YES, MA'AM. AND COMMISSIONER CARROLL ABSTAINS. ALL RIGHT. NEXT, WE HAVE PUBLIC HEARING. THIS IS ITEM 13. RESOLUTION TO USE UNIFORM METHOD OF COLLECTING NON
[County Attorney]
AD VALOREM SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS. GOOD MORNING. CHAIRMAN. COMMISSIONERS. I'M HERE FOR THE ANNUAL RESOLUTION RELATED TO. WELL AND I'LL DIRECT YOU ACTUALLY TO THE RESOLUTION THAT SHOULD BE IN YOUR PACKET. IT'S ACTUALLY TITLED A RESOLUTION OF BAY COUNTY FLORIDA ELECTING TO USE THE UNIFORM METHOD OF COLLECTING NON AD VALOREM SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS LEVIED WITHIN THE UNINCORPORATED AND UNINCORPORATED AREAS OF BAY COUNTY PURSUANT TO FLORIDA STATUTE 197 .36 323A IN ORDER TO IMPOSE SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING OCTOBER 1ST OF 2025. THE BOARD MUST ADVERTISE THE NOTICE OF INTENT ONCE A WEEK FOR FOUR CONSECUTIVE WEEKS, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING, AND ADOPT A RESOLUTION INDICATING IT INTENDS TO USE THE UNIFORM METHOD OF COLLECTING THE NON AD VALOREM ASSESSMENTS. SO THIS IS JUST THE ANNUAL RESOLUTION TO ALLOW THE COUNTY TO DO SO. SO I CAN REPRESENT THAT THE NOTICE OF INTENT HAS BEEN ADVERTISED APPROPRIATELY. AND WE'RE ASKING THAT THE BOARD CONDUCT THE[00:10:03]
PUBLIC HEARING TODAY, RECEIVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THEN APPROVE THE ATTACHED RESOLUTION THAT'S INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKETS. QUESTIONS FOR COUNSELOR. SEEING NONE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.MISTER CHAIRMAN, IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING. OH. I'M SORRY. THAT'S RIGHT. PUBLIC HEARING. IS ANYBODY HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS? THANK YOU FOR THE REMINDER. ALL RIGHT, NOW THAT WE'VE GOT THAT OUT OF THE WAY, CAN I GET A MOTION AND A SECOND? MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. MOTION. AND SECOND, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. COMMISSIONER CARROLL. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER REDFIELD. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER CROSBY. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER PIECE.
[Planning & Zoning]
YES, MA'AM. CHAIRMAN. MOORE. YES, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT. NEXT. AND THIS ONE I DID PUT MY NOTE. THIS IS QUASI JUDICIAL, SO WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE OUR DECLARATIONS. BUT THIS IS PLDP A 2024 0265 AND PL Z CA 2024 026 FOR SMALL SCALE AMENDMENT AND ZONE CHANGE FOR 2116 SCURLOCK ROAD AND 7326 HIGHWAY 77. THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK AT THE HEARING PLEASE STAND AND BE SWORN. SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE EVIDENCE YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH. NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. I DO. THANK YOU. EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS. I HAVE NONE. I'VE BEEN TO THE PROPERTY.SPOKEN TO NO ONE, SPOKEN WITH THE APPLICANT AND FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY. SPOKEN TO NO ONE FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY. SPOKEN TO NO ONE. ALL RIGHT. MR. PORTER. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
ON NOVEMBER 19TH, 2024, THE BAY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION CONDUCTED A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER A REQUEST TO CHANGE A FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION OF APPROXIMATELY 9.8 ACRES FROM MIXED USE TO GENERAL COMMERCIAL, AND TO CHANGE THE ZONING DESIGNATION OF THE PROPERTY FROM MLU. MIXED LAND USE TO C3. GENERAL COMMERCIAL SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 2116 SCURLOCK ROAD AND 7326 HIGHWAY 77, IN THE SOUTHPORT AREA. AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED TO FIND THE PROPOSED LAND USE AND ZONE CHANGES CONSISTENT WITH THE BAY COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN A CORRIDOR ALONG HIGHWAY 77 THAT IS COMPRISED PRIMARILY OF GENERAL COMMERCIAL LAND USE AND C3 ZONING DESIGNATIONS. THE PARCEL TO THE SOUTH WAS PREVIOUSLY DESIGNATED WITH THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND C3 ZONING. THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND ZONING CHANGE WAS APPROVED IN MAY OF 18, 2015 TO THE CURRENT MIXED LAND USE. STAFF FEELS THAT THE REQUESTED AMENDMENT IS COMPATIBLE AND CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA, AS THE SOUTHERN PARCEL DOES NOT HAVE THE MINIMUM 100FT OF ROAD FRONTAGE REQUIRED PER LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATION TABLE 6.1 AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE TWO PARCELS BE MERGED BEFORE ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT IS APPROVED. THE PLANNING COMMISSION ALSO RECOMMENDED THAT CONDITION. STAFF AGREES WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND RECOMMENDS THE BOARD CONDUCT A BOARD, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING, APPROVE THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS AND ADOPT THE ATTACHED ORDINANCE. WE ONLY RECEIVED ONE PHONE CALL IN REGARD TO THIS ITEM, AND THAT INQUIRY WAS JUST REGARDING WHAT THEY PLANNED TO DEVELOP. THERE DID NOT STATE ANY OBJECTION TO THE REQUEST. HERE TO ANSWER ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. QUESTIONS FOR MR. PORTER. JUST WONDERING ABOUT THE BUFFER AND THE FENCING. THIS ABUTS A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT AREAS OF RESIDENTIAL. I MEAN, A LITTLE ODD SPOT OF RESIDENTIAL THERE ALSO. SO IS IT BUFFERING ALL THE WAY AROUND AS NORMAL OR. SO WE'RE ADJACENT TO A RESIDENTIAL ZONING. THERE WILL BE A 25 FOOT BUFFER REQUIREMENT. WHAT ABOUT ANY FENCING IN THAT? THERE'S NOT A FENCE REQUIREMENT IF THEY IF THEY CHOOSE TO, TO USE THE 25 FOOT VEGETATIVE LANDSCAPE BUFFER, THEN THERE WOULD BE NO FENCE REQUIREMENT. IN LIGHTING. I GUESS THE LIGHTING IS GOING TO REMAIN AT A PROPER HEIGHT, SO IT'S NOT CORRECT. RIGHT INTO THE BACKYARDS. RIGHT. THEN DEVELOPMENT WILL REQUIRE DEVELOPMENT ORDER AND ALL PROVISIONS OF THE LIGHTING CODE PER THE LDR WILL REQUIRE TO BE MET. WELL, GLAD TO PUT IN PHOTOMETRIC PLANS. OKAY. YES, SIR. UNDER THE ANALYSIS AND DISCUSSION THE LAST IT SAYS THIS APPLICATION IS ACCOMPANIED BY A REQUEST CHANGE OF ZONING FROM MOU TO THE C3 VILLAGE CENTER ZONING DISTRICT. IT'S NOT VILLAGE CENTER, IS IT? IT'S GENERAL COMMERCIAL. NO. OKAY. IF IT'S STATED VILLAGE CENTER SOMEWHERE. I'M SORRY. THAT'S A MISTAKE. IN THE FIRST PAGE OF THE STAFF. THAT'S WHAT WAS CONFUSING. OKAY. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. I HAD THE SAME QUESTION ABOUT THE BUFFERING. AND SO IF THEY COULD DO FENCING OR LANDSCAPING. I HAD ONE MORE ABOUT THEM PUTTING THE TWO
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PARCELS WE WENT. THEY DO ONE DEVELOPMENT, THEN THE COUNTY. THE COUNTY WILL REQUIRE THAT THEY DO IT AS ONE. COMBINED THOSE TWO PARCELS. THE CONDITION IS THAT BEFORE ANY DEVELOPMENT IS APPROVED ON EITHER PARCEL, THAT THEY MUST BE MERGED TOGETHER INTO ONE PARCEL. I ASSUME THEY HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT. NO, MA'AM, THEY SHOULD NOT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. OTHER QUESTIONS? ONE QUESTION. WAYNE. ARE THEY ARE THEY LOOKING TO PUT AN ENTRY OFF OF 77 INTO THIS PROPERTY? IS THAT LONG TERM AS FAR AS WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY PROPOSED PLANS AT THIS POINT.I'M NOT CERTAIN WHERE THEIR PROPOSED ACCESSES ARE. THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE PROBABLY TO SPEAK TO THAT. LET ME HEAR FROM HIM ON THAT. ALL RIGHT. SEEING NOTHING ELSE.
THANK YOU. WAYNE. ONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS ALANA MILLS, AND I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN. I AM THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE APPLICANT THAT IS APPLYING FOR THE LAND USE AND ZONING CHANGE. I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME QUESTIONS HERE. YES, WE DO PLAN TO COMBINE THE PARCELS AFTER THE APPROVAL HERE TODAY. WE ARE ASKING FOR THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL AND THE C3 ZONING DISTRICT. I HAVE CONDUCTED AN ANALYSIS THAT IT SHOULD BE IN YOUR PACKET TO SHOW THAT THIS REQUEST IS COMPLIANT WITH YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. SPEAKING TO THE BUFFER SPECIFICALLY THAT TO WHICH IS ON THE NORTHWEST SIDE, THE RESIDENTIAL USES, THERE IS ACTUALLY A DITCH THERE WHICH WE DO NOT PLAN TO DEVELOP OVER OR WITHIN. SO THAT SHOULD HELP WITH SOME OF THE BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS. ANOTHER QUESTION REGARDING ACCESS, INGRESS AND EGRESS TO HIGHWAY 77. YES, WE DO PLAN TO ACCESS THE SITE VIA 77.
AND WE WILL, AS I MENTIONED, COMBINE THE TWO PARCELS. SO IF THERE WERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I MISSED, I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER THOSE. SEEING NO OTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. YEP. DISCUSSION AMONGST OURSELVES. AND WE'VE GOT GENERAL COMMERCIAL AROUND US WITH THE BUFFERING WE HAVE IN PLACE. I DON'T SEE ANY OBJECTION. WE DON'T. I MEAN, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF THIS MIXED USE. IT'S NOT A CATEGORY THAT WE SEE VERY OFTEN. SO AND I UNDERSTAND IT, I'VE READ THE RESTRICTIONS. AND SO I WOULD WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE WITH WHY THEY WERE TRYING TO GO TO THE COMMERCIAL. SO WITH THE BUFFERING INTACT, I DON'T SEE ANY OBJECTIONS. GLAD TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. I'LL SECOND THAT, A MOTION AND A SECOND. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. COMMISSIONER CARROLL. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER. PEACE. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER CROSBY. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER. RAPHAEL. YES, MA'AM. CHAIRMAN. MOORE.
YES, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS ANOTHER QUASI JUDICIAL. THIS IS PLD, PA 2024 0269 AND PL ZC A 2024 0270. SMALL SCALE AMENDMENT AND ZONE CHANGE FOR 60 1652 MAPLE AVENUE. ALL THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK, PLEASE STAND AND BE SWORN. SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE EVIDENCE YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE TREATED. I DO. A DISCLOSURE. I HAVE BEEN TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, MAYOR OF THE PROPERTY, SPOKEN WITH NO ONE FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY, BUT HAVE SPOKEN TO NO ONE FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY, HAS SPOKEN TO NO ONE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, MISTER PORTER. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. ON NOVEMBER 19TH, 2024, THE BAY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION CONDUCTED A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER A REQUEST FROM TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION OF APPROXIMATELY 0.186 ACRES FROM GENERAL COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL, AND TO CHANGE THE ZONING DESIGNATION OF THE PROPERTY FROM C3, A GENERAL COMMERCIAL LOW TO R-3, DUPLEX, TRIPLEX AND QUADRUPLEX. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1652 MAPLE AVENUE IN THE UNINCORPORATED PANAMA CITY AREA. AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED TO FIND THE PROPOSED LAND USE AND ZONE CHANGE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. THE PROPERTY WAS PREVIOUSLY LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OF THE FORMER TOWN OF CEDAR GROVE, WHILE CEDAR GROVE HAD THE PROPERTY DESIGNATED AS COMMERCIAL. THE HISTORICAL USE OF THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN RESIDENTIAL. THE REQUESTED R-3 ZONING CURRENTLY CURRENTLY EXISTS DIRECTLY NORTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. STAFF FEELS THAT THE REQUESTED AMENDMENT IS COMPATIBLE AND CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA. STAFF AGREES WITH PLANNING COMMISSION AND RECOMMENDS THE BOARD CONDUCT THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS AND ADOPT THE ATTACHED ORDINANCES. HERE TO
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ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT REGARDING THIS ITEM. QUESTIONS FOR WAYNE. I MORE HAVE A COMMENT. THIS AREA IS DEFINITELY TRADITIONAL RESIDENTIAL. WHILE BACK WE HAD SOME PROPERTIES THAT WERE SCATTERED AROUND THE COUNTY THAT WERE IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS THAT WERE COMMERCIAL USES, AND WE KIND OF WENT TO THEM AND SAID, HEY, LET'S CHANGE THIS, AND WE KIND OF WAIVE THE FEES. IS THIS AN AREA THAT WE MAY NEED TO LOOK AT TO MAYBE HELP THESE RESIDENTS TO CHANGE THIS TO A RESIDENTIAL USE, JUST BECAUSE, IN CASE THEY EVER HAVE SOME KIND OF AN ISSUE, OR THEY GOT TO REPAIR MORE THAN 50%, THAT THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO BECAUSE WE DON'T ALLOW RESIDENTIAL DENSITY. SO IS THAT SOMETHING WE NEED TO CONSIDER? I FEEL IT WOULD BE AN AREA THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO DO THAT. AND WITH THE DIRECTION OF THIS BOARD, STAFF COULD REACH OUT TO THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS AND SEE IF THEY WISH TO PURSUE THIS. BECAUSE THE TIME FRAME I MEAN, TO GO THROUGH PLANNING BOARD AND COME BEFORE US. IT'S A COUPLE OF MONTHS SO.CORRECT. YES. IT IS TRADITIONALLY BEEN NEIGHBORHOOD. IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN. SO. OKAY.
GREAT CHANGE. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO LOOK OUT FOR THE REST OF THEM TO SEE MAYBE ABOUT IF THEY'RE INTERESTED AND JUST TELL THEM, HEY, IF YOU EVER WANT TO REBUILD, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO DO THIS ANYWAY. SO WE CAN DO THAT. WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. I JUST HAD A STATEMENT ALSO THAT KIND OF GOES ALONG A LITTLE BIT WITH WHAT ROBERT'S SAYING, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE USING IT FOR RESIDENTIAL, IT IS ZONED COMMERCIAL. AND FOR INSTANCE, IF THE PROPERTY RIGHT NEXT DOOR DECIDED TO GO COMMERCIAL, THEN THEY WOULD I MEAN, GO WHAT'S RESIDENTIAL NOW? IF THEY DECIDE TO USE IT IN A COMMERCIAL CAPACITY, WE WOULDN'T HAVE. WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO FORCE THEM INTO DOING A BUFFER OR ANY OF THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY COMMERCIAL. SO THE RESIDENTIAL FOLKS WILL NOT HAVE A BUFFER, YOU KNOW, SHOULD THAT EVER GO COMMERCIAL. SO IT'S ANOTHER REASON TO TRY TO REACH OUT AND SEE IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO GO TO RESIDENTIAL. SO THEY DON'T HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THAT BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T ASSUME. I GUESS I'M RIGHT HERE. WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO JUST BECAUSE THIS ONE'S GOING TO GOING TO BE USED FOR A DIFFERENT PURPOSE. WE COULDN'T FORCE THE COMMERCIAL TO DO A BUFFER NOW. CORRECT. NOW, IF THERE ARE ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT PROPOSED ON ANY OF THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THERE, THAT WOULD TRIGGER THE REQUIREMENT TO PROVIDE THE BUFFER, BUT NOT JUST CHANGING THIS PROPERTY TO RESIDENTIAL WOULD NOT TRIGGER THAT NEIGHBORING PROPERTY TO HAVE TO PROVIDE A BUFFER. YEAH.
QUESTIONS FOR WAYNE. ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE. THANK YOU SIR. APPRECIATE IT. QUESTION OR MOTION. PUBLIC HEARING. YEP. SORRY. PUBLIC HEARING. NOBODY STOOD UP, SO I WAS ASSUMING NOBODY WANTED TO SAY ANYTHING. LOOKING AROUND, I THINK MY ASSUMPTION WAS CORRECT. SO DISCUSS AND OR MOTION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. AND A MOTION IN A SECOND, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. COMMISSIONER CARROLL. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER CROSBY. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER REDFIELD. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER. PEACE. YES. CHAIRMAN. MOORE. YES, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT. THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM NUMBER 16, VARIANCE APPEAL. THIS IS. P O V A R 2024 0268. RECOMMENDATION BOARD. HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER WHETHER TO SUSTAIN OR OVERTURN A DECISION OF THE PLANNING BOARD DENYING THE VARIANCE REQUEST. MR. PORTER. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. KEVIN AND AUDRA WEBER HAVE APPEALED A UNANIMOUS DECISION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO DENY A VARIANCE ALLOWING A SWIMMING POOL IN THE FRONT YARD OF A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE. ACCESSORY STRUCTURES IN RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS, LIKE SWIMMING POOLS, ARE ONLY PERMITTED IN THE REAR AND SIDE YARDS PER SECTION 404.3 OF THE BAY COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. UNDER THE COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, VARIANCES CAN ONLY BE GRANTED IF THEY ARE NOT CONTRARY TO THE PUBLIC INTEREST AND IF, OWING TO CONDITIONS PECULIAR TO THE PROPERTY INVOLVED AND NOT THE RESULT OF THE ACTIONS OF THE APPLICANT. LITERAL ENFORCEMENT OF THE CODE AND REGULATIONS WOULD NOT WOULD RESULT IN UNNECESSARY AND UNDUE HARDSHIP.
THE STANDARDS OUTLINED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR THE STANDARDS OF REVIEW ARE ADDRESSED IN SECTION 208.1 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AS WELL. THE BURDEN OF PROOF FOR SHOWING SUFFICIENCY FOR UNNECESSARY OR UNDUE HARDSHIP SHALL BE CLEARLY SHOWN BY THE APPLICANT. THE APPLICANT MUST PRESENT CLEAR AND CONVINCING EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THAT THE STANDARDS SET FORTH ABOVE HAVE BEEN MET. THE STANDARD FOR THE APPEAL IS THAT THE COMMISSION SHOULD ONLY OVERTURN A DECISION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION IF THERE IS A SUBSTANTIAL COMPETENT. IF THERE IS SUBSTANTIAL COMPETENT EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD THAT IT MADE AN ERROR IN ITS DECISION THAT FAILED TO COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. IN THIS CASE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONCLUDED THAT A THE APPLICANT
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DID NOT DEMONSTRATE HARDSHIPS UNIQUE TO THE PROPERTY BE. THE HARDSHIP WAS CREATED BY THE APPLICANT CONSTRUCTING AN UNPERMITTED POOL WITHOUT APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING DIVISION OR THE BUILDING SAFETY DIVISION, AND C THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS ALLOW ALTERNATIVES THAT WOULD MEET ITS REQUIREMENTS AND ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR THE REQUEST, AND D THE REQUEST DID NOT SPECIFY INTENDED OR NECESSARY TO PROMOTE ANY COUNTY OBJECTIVES OR POLICIES.JUST TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BACKGROUND INFORMATION, THE PROPERTY OWNER SUBMITTED A BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION TO CONSTRUCT A POOL ON MARCH 29TH, 2021. THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN INDICATED THE POOL WOULD BE LOCATED IN THE FRONT YARD AREA, IN THAT AREA, BETWEEN THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE AND THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. PLANNING STAFF DID NOT APPROVE THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN, NOTING THAT THE POOL COULD NOT BE LOCATED IN THE FRONT YARD. AS A RESULT, THE BUILDING PERMIT WAS NOT APPROVED BY THE BUILDING SAFETY DIVISION. ACCORDING TO AERIAL IMAGERY, THE POOL WAS CONSTRUCTED SOMETIME BETWEEN MARCH 2021 AND AUGUST 2022. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. JIM. OKAY. YES, SIR. DID YOU EVER HAVE CONVERSATIONS OR MEET WITH THE APPLICANT REGARDING THIS, OR WAS IT JUST MERELY STATED ON THE APPLICANT AND THAT IT WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS INTERNAL? I'M JUST CURIOUS, DID WAS THERE EVER A MEETING OR DID YOU ALL EVER DISCUSS THIS WITH THE APPLICANT SPECIFIC TO THE BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION? YES, SIR. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CAME IN AND ASKED, YOU KNOW, PLANNING, PLANNING AND ZONING DID NOT HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE APPLICANT. THE PROCESS AT THAT TIME FOR PERMIT REVIEW WAS PLANNING AND ZONING WOULD PROVIDE COMMENTS TO THE BUILDING SAFETY DIVISION, AND THE BUILDING SAFETY DIVISION WOULD PROVIDE THOSE COMMENTS TO THE APPLICANT. I DON'T THAT'S CHANGED SINCE THEN. NOW PLANNING AND ZONING REACHES DIRECTLY OUT TO THE APPLICANT. I COULD NOT I CANNOT VERIFY WHETHER THE BUILDING SAFETY DIVISION EVER MADE CONTACT WITH THE APPLICANT TO DISCUSS WHY THE PERMIT WAS NOT APPROVED. IT WAS. IT WAS A PERMIT EVER ISSUED FOR THE POOL.
IT WAS NEVER ISSUED. THAT'S CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. SO THEY KNEW THEY COULDN'T HAVE IT? WELL, I GUESS THEY WERE TOLD THEY COULDN'T HAVE IT. THEIR PERMIT WASN'T ISSUED, BUT IT WAS BUILT ANYWAY. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SIR. QUESTIONS FOR DWAYNE. OKAY.
THANK YOU SIR. UNDERSTAND? REQUEST FOR VARIANCE BY MISTER WEBER IS HERE. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE COME FORWARD. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. KEVIN WEBER, 325 DOLPHIN DRIVE.
MR. PORTER IS CORRECT. I APPLIED FOR A PERMIT ON THE 20 ON THE 19TH. I BELIEVE I SUBMITTED IT ON THE 21ST. I WAS I RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM THE CITY ASKING ME TO SEND IN SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, WHICH I DID. IT WAS FOR THE SITE OF THE POOL. I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH SOMEONE IN. I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS MR. PORTER OR SOMEONE ELSE, AND THEY WERE ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, SO I WAS WORKING ON THAT. AND THEN 30 DAYS LATER I RECEIVED AN EMAIL AND IT SAID, WE'RE STILL REVIEWING THE EMAIL. I MEAN, WE'RE STILL REVIEWING THE PROCESS. IN THAT TIME PERIOD, THE THIS POOL ARRIVED AND WE HAD IT INSTALLED AND WE LEFT IT OPEN FOR INSPECTION PURPOSES. AND IT DIDN'T SEEM ALARMING TO ME BY ANY MEANS BECAUSE WE TRAVEL TO TWO DIFFERENT PLACES ON THE BEACH, AND WE'VE SEEN OTHER PROPERTIES THAT HAVE THIS SAME LAYOUT. SO.
AND WHAT I MEAN, I DIDN'T SEEM TO BE A PROBLEM BECAUSE WE HAD WINDOWS INSTALLED AND, YOU KNOW, WE DEALT WITH THE WINDOW COMPANY. I CAN'T REMEMBER IF I PULLED THE PERMIT, BUT IT WASN'T UNTIL AFTER THE WINDOWS WERE INSTALLED THAT THE INSPECTOR CAME OUT TO INSPECT THE WINDOWS, SO I DIDN'T REALLY SEE ANY. WE WERE JUST KIND OF WAITING ON INFORMATION AND WE LEFT THE POOL OPEN. I ALSO OWN THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO IT. ON THREE, TWO, FIVE. WE HAD INSPECTORS COMING ALL THE TIME AND THERE'S A LOT GOING ON. WE'RE BUILDING THAT NEW HOUSE, SO IT ALSO THERE WAS COVID GOING ON. IT WAS THERE WAS A LITTLE SLOWER PROCESS, BUT IT I WASN'T REALLY ALARMED. BUT THEN I RECEIVED AN EMAIL TWO AND A HALF YEARS LATER SAYING, HEY, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS POOL? AND I WENT, WELL, I DON'T KNOW. LET ME, LET ME, LET ME FIGURE THIS OUT. SO WHICH BRINGS US TO THIS POINT OF WHERE WE ARE WITH THE WITH THE POOL PROCESS. I DO HAVE THIS PROPERTY. WE DID PUT
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THE POOL IN, BUT IT WASN'T TRYING TO DO SOMETHING THAT WAS AGAINST THE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY.WE WERE WE WERE PROVIDING INFORMATION. IT DID GET LOST IN THE SHUFFLE. AND THAT'S, THAT'S THAT'S ON MY, MY BEHALF. BUT WE'VE GOT TWO PROPERTIES AND I'VE BEEN INSTRUCTED, YOU KNOW, I THINK ONE OF THE FIRST SENTENCES HE SAID ABOUT ASKING FOR A VARIANCE. IS IT GOING TO BE A I CAN'T EXACTLY REMEMBER THE WORDS, BUT IS IT GOING TO BE A HINDRANCE TO THE COMMUNITY OR TO THE SOCIETY? AND I DON'T SEE THAT BEING A HINDRANCE TO THE COMMUNITY OR SOCIETY, BECAUSE NO ONE'S GOING TO COME DOWN THE STREET, LOOK AT THE PROPERTY AND SAY, OH MY GOODNESS, LOOK AT THIS. WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT HAPPENED HERE? BECAUSE IF I SIMPLY JUST TAKE THE TWO PROPERTIES AND COMBINE THEM TOGETHER, THEN THESE TWO PROPERTIES, THE POOL THAT NOW IS, IS, IS, IT'S FINE TO BE THERE. BUT I REALLY DON'T WANT TO COMBINE THE TWO PROPERTIES BECAUSE THEY'RE IN A TRUST. AND YOU KNOW, IT'LL BE IRREVOCABLE. IT'S GOING TO BE TO THE HEIRS.
IT'S GOING TO BE TO MY CHILDREN. AND I'D LIKE TO KEEP THE PROPERTIES SEPARATED. SO THE VARIANCE THAT I'M ASKING FOR, FOR THE HINDRANCE IS OR I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY IT PROPERLY, IS THE FACT THAT THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN THE 60S AND THE HOUSE WAS BUILT ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY LINE. BEHIND THE PROPERTY IS THE SEPTIC TANK, SO ALL OF THE YARD IS IN THE FRONT. SO THERE THERE'S THE ONLY LOGICAL PLACE TO PUT IT, AND WE'VE SEEN IT IN OTHER AREAS AS WELL. SO THAT'S THE VARIANCE THAT WE'RE REQUESTING. IS THAT DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE HOUSE, THE HARDSHIP IS THAT THE HOUSE WAS BUILT ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE ON THE MATTER. AND, YOU KNOW, WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE STEPS AND AT SOME POINT I WAS THINKING, WELL, WE WOULD GET SOME RESOLUTION AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT STAGE. GOOD QUESTIONS. YES, ABSOLUTELY. AS PART OF THE REVIEW PROCESS, PART OF THOSE EMAILS THAT YOU GOT, DID YOU GET AN EMAIL STATING THAT IT WAS NOT ALLOWED IN THE FRONT YARD? I NEVER GOT AN EMAIL SAYING IT WASN'T ALLOWED. I WAS GIVING. I WAS HAVING PHONE CONVERSATIONS WITH WITH PEOPLE DOWN HERE AT THE CITY SAYING, HEY, CAN YOU BRING US THIS? OR YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THAT OR YOU'LL HAVE TO DO THIS. AND I WAS WORKING ON THAT. BUT THE, THE, THE POOL HAD BEEN INSTALLED. AND I'VE BEEN GIVEN A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF INFORMATION SINCE THEN. I MEAN, I COULD TAKE THE POOL AND IT'S, IT'S VERY, VERY SHALLOW AND I COULD JUST MAKE IT SHALLOW AND IT TURNS INTO A FOUNTAIN THAT I DON'T EVEN NEED TO HAVE A PERMIT FOR, TO HAVE A FOUNTAIN IN THE FRONT OF THE YARD. SO ULTIMATELY, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET SOME SORT OF RESOLUTION ON, ON THIS WHERE I CAN KEEP THE PROPERTY SEPARATED AND NOT HAVE TO COMBINE THE TWO LOTS. HOW MANY UNITS ARE USED IN THIS POOL? WE IT'S JUST US. JUST OUR HOUSE UNITS, YOU SAID. YEAH.
IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S FOUR UNITS OUT THERE. THERE IS. IT WAS WHEN WE. WHEN I ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY. IT WAS A DUPLEX, BUT WE COMBINED IT WITH A DOOR IN THE MIDDLE AND THE SAME THING ON THE OTHER ONE. IT IS IT IS FOUR UNITS, BUT WE JUST DO THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE A LARGE FAMILY AND WE I LIKE TO HAVE THE SEPARATION OF FOR EACH FAMILY MEMBER WHEN THEY COME DOWN. SO WE, WE WHEN WE GOT THIS HOUSE, WE REALLY ENJOYED HAVING YOU KNOW WHEN YOU HAVE FAMILY DOWN, THEY HAVE THEIR SIDE. WE HAVE OUR SIDE. AND THEN AND SO THAT'S WHY WE BUILT THE NEXT HOUSE THE SAME WAY. IS THIS IN A RENTAL POOL? THE ONE HOUSE IS IN THE RENTAL POOL. YES. THE NEW ONE.
YOU RENT TWO OUT OF THE FOUR UNITS. IT'S JUST RENTED AS ONE UNIT. ALL FOUR. I MEAN, THERE'S A AND A B ON. YEAH. WE DON'T I MEAN, YEAH, WE DON'T RENT. YEAH. SO THE HOUSE WHERE THE POOL IS AT, WE DON'T RENT. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I CONSIDER THE PROPERTY WE'VE HAD FOREVER. THE OTHER HOUSE, IT HAS TWO DOORS ON IT, BUT IT'S ONLY A SINGLE RENTAL. WHY WAS THE POOL NOT PUT BEHIND IT? THERE'S ROOM BACK THERE. THERE WAS A SEPTIC TANK BEHIND IT. WELL, THERE'S ALSO IMPERVIOUS SURFACE RATIOS THAT ONLY ALLOWED 60%. IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE WAY OVER THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE RATIOS. WHO WAS THE CONTRACTOR THAT INSTALLED IT? SO I WAS A CONTRACTOR THAT INSTALLED THAT. I HIRED A CONTRACTOR FOR THE HOUSE. I HAVE BEEN TOLD, THOUGH, I COULD TAKE THOSE PAVERS UP AND REPLACE THEM WITH PAVERS THAT WILL ALLOW FOR THE WATER TO PENETRATE THROUGH THE GROUND, WHICH I'M WILLING TO DO WHATEVER IS REQUIRED TO MEET THE PERCENTAGE. SO, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF YOU BUILT THE HOUSE. SO YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS AS POOLS, THE SAME WAY YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LICENSED CONTRACTOR DOING THE ELECTRICAL WORK. I MEAN, YOU'RE RENTING IT TO GUESTS THAT ARE USING A POOL. HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THE GROUND WAS PUT IN CORRECTLY, THAT THE
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PUMPS, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT GO INTO THIS. AND YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT? YEAH. WE HAD A LICENSED CONTRACTOR DO THE ELECTRICAL ON THE POOL. BUT, YOU KNOW, ALL THE STEPS WERE DOCUMENTED. I WAS EXPECTING AT SOME POINT TO GET THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS TO THEN SAY, OKAY, HERE, HERE'S WHAT WE DID ALONG THE WAY. THERE WAS DELAYS THAT WERE TAKING PLACE DURING THIS COVID ERA THAT WE WERE WE WERE EXPERIENCING. AND I WAS JUST THINKING, EVENTUALLY I WAS GOING TO GET THROUGH THIS, BUT I DID VIDEO EVERYTHING AND I WAS I CAN UNCOVER ANYTHING TO SHOW WHAT IS WHAT. BUT IT WAS ALL DONE BY A LICENSED CONTRACTOR. SO YOU KNOWINGLY INSTALLED IT WITH A LICENSED CONTRACTOR WITHOUT INSPECTIONS? I HAD I CALLED THE ELECTRICIAN. YES.THEY DID IT WITHOUT INSPECTIONS KNOWINGLY BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T HAVE A PERMIT? YES, YES. JUST YOU BUILT A HOUSE. YOU KNOW, THE PROCESS. YOU. IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE YOU'RE NEW TO THIS. IT DOES APPEAR FROM STREET SIDE THAT IT'S FOUR UNITS BEING RENTED, ALL SHARING THIS POOL, THIS COMMON AREA, WHICH THEN, IF THAT'S THE CASE, NOW THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT A COMMERCIAL POOL, THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH HAS TO REGULATE THAT POOL. YOU GOT TO HAVE 24 HOUR PUMPS. YOU GOT TO HAVE YOUR HANDICAP LIFT. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT GO INTO IT THAT THIS THING IS EXASPERATED NOW. AND FIRST OF ALL, YOU CAN'T EVEN HAVE IT. THE OTHER AREAS THAT YOU LOOK AT, THOSE ARE PROBABLY ZONED SEASONAL RESORT, COMMERCIAL. IT IS BEAUTIFUL. I'VE BEEN OUT THERE. I MEAN, IT IS DEFINITELY BEAUTIFUL. HOWEVER, THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT ALLOWED BY THE CODE, AND STAFF SAID IT WASN'T ALLOWED BY THE CODE AND YOU WERE IMPATIENT ABOUT YOUR PERMIT. WENT AHEAD AND BUILT IT ANYWAY. I HOPE YOU DIDN'T DO THAT WITH THE HOUSE. HOPEFULLY THAT WAS DONE CORRECTLY. NO, THE HOUSE I HAD, I HIRED A CONTRACTOR FOR ON THE HOUSE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS TWO THINGS GOING ON AT THE SAME TIME. SO THE, THE, THE WHEN THE POOL CAME, IT ARRIVED AND IT WAS SITTING OUT IN THE FRONT BECAUSE IT WAS DELIVERED OVERNIGHT AND IT WASN'T EXPECTED TO BE DELIVERED. SO IT JUST KIND OF RAMPED UP THE PROCESS. WELL, THE BIGGEST THING THAT ALWAYS STANDS OUT TO ME, I REPRESENT CLIENTS AS WELL FROM THAT SIDE OF THE PODIUM. WE HAVE A PLANNER OUT THERE, AND I THINK ONE OF THE HARDEST THINGS THAT YOU EVER TELL A CLIENT IS THAT ON A VARIANCE, WHAT IS THE HARDSHIP? AND I UNDERSTAND YOU SAID THAT YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, NO ROOM IN THE BACK. WELL, IF IT DOESN'T FIT IN THE FRONT IT'S NOT ALLOWED, THEN IT'S NOT A HARDSHIP. AND BECAUSE YOU PUT IT IN AND NOW ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS, I JUST HAVE A HARD TIME. YOU CAN'T CREATE THE HARDSHIP. AND IN THIS CASE, I THINK YOU'VE CREATED THE HARDSHIP, IF WHAT I WOULD SAY, IF THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, AT THAT TIME YOU COULD HAVE PUT IN A GRINDER STATION. PEOPLE EXTEND THE SEWER ALL THE TIME IN THAT AREA. THEY RUN A FORCE MAIN, PUT A PUMP. YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT IN A WELL AND SEPTIC. SO THERE WERE OTHER WAYS AND MEANS OF DOING IT. BUT I THINK JUST DOING IT AND ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS OR HOPING IT JUST GOES AWAY, I JUST DON'T KNOW. THAT'S THE ANSWER. WELL, WHAT I WOULD SAY IN RESPONSE TO THAT IS IRREGARDLESS THAT THE POOL IS INSTALLED, IF THERE WAS A POSSIBILITY OF A VARIANCE. THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE TO REQUEST. NOW THAT'S WHAT YES, THE POOL IS INSTALLED. BUT THE QUESTION IS COULD THERE BE A VARIANCE FOR HAVING THAT INSTALLED IN THIS IN THIS SITUATION AND THAT. AND THAT'S REALLY THE PURPOSE OF THE MEETING IS I'M REQUESTING A VARIANCE FOR THE POOL AND ITS LOCATION. YES. THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES DID TAKE PLACE.
AND IF YOU WERE TO GRANT THE VARIANCE AND THEN THEY SAY, WELL, YOU CAN'T PUT THE POOL HERE BECAUSE OF THIS PERCENTAGE OR THIS AND THAT AND THAT AND THAT AND THAT, THEN I'D SAY, OKAY, I GET IT, MR. WEBER. THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE WE ARE. THERE'S NO HARDSHIP HERE. THE HARDSHIP WAS MADE WHEN YOU PUT THE POOL WITHOUT THE PERMIT. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT COMMISSIONER CARROLL WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO YOU, SIR. OKAY. WE HATE THAT YOU PUT THAT POOL IN THE GROUND, BUT THAT WAS A DECISION YOU MADE BECAUSE YOU WERE IMPATIENT. AND THAT'S JUST THE FACTS OF IT.
UNFORTUNATELY, YOU, OUR LDR AND OUR CODE SAY YOU CAN'T DO IT AND YOU CAN'T DO IT MUCH LESS WITHOUT PERMITTING. SO THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH THAT. NO ONE IN THIS ROOM CAN DO THAT. I CAN'T DO THAT. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. SO NONE OF US ARE ABOVE THE RULES, I UNDERSTAND THAT. YES, SIR.
ANYONE ELSE? NO, JUST. I WAS GOING TO BRING UP THE PART ABOUT THE PERMIT GETTING A PERMIT, BUT THE WHEN YOU SAID YOU HAD A LICENSED ELECTRICIAN PULL A PERMIT, I MEAN, HE KNEW THAT HE WAS SUPPOSED TO GET A PERMIT ALSO. SO THAT'S A TOTALLY SEPARATE PERMIT THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PULLED BY THE ELECTRICIAN. AND IF HE WAS A LICENSED ONE, THEN HE KNEW. I'M SURE HE HE KNEW THAT ONE TOO. SO AND I THINK ARE WE WE'RE HERE TO APPROVE WHAT THE PLANNING BOARD DID. ARE WE NOT. SO WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY UP HERE RIGHT NOW TRYING TO GIVE A VARIANCE. BOB, COULD YOU JUST YOU'RE HERE TO YOU'RE HERE TO HEAR WHETHER THE PLANNING BOARD DID THEIR JOB CORRECTLY OR NOT. NOT NOT TO HEAR. THAT. WELL PAINTED OR FINE. SO WE'RE WE'RE NOT HERE TO
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OFFER TO GIVE YOU A VARIANCE. IT'S UNDERSTOOD. UNDERSTOOD. I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE AT, BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. I DO HAVE AN OPTION THAT MR. PORTER IS, IS GIVING ME. I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO COMBINE THE PROPERTIES. SO. ALL RIGHT, WELL, WITH THAT. YEAH. THANK YOU. SIR. AT THIS TIME, CAN I GET A MOTION. AND THE MOTION WOULD BE AGAIN WHETHER TO SUSTAIN OR OVERTURN THE DECISION OF THE PLANNING BOARD. MOTION. MOTION TO SUSTAIN. ALL RIGHT. MOTION TO SUSTAIN THE PLANNING BOARD'S SECOND. ALL RIGHT. GOT A MOTION IN A SECOND. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. COMMISSIONER REDFIELD. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER CROSBY. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER. CAROL.YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER. PEACE. YES, MA'AM. CHAIRMAN. MOORE. YES, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. ALL RIGHT, NOW WE MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT. THIS IS OPEN TO ANY ISSUE WHICH CITIZENS MAY BELIEVE THE COMMISSION HAS AUTHORITY OVER. RIGHT. SEEING NONE. COUNTY ATTORNEY'S REPORT.
[COUNTY ATTORNEY REPORT]
I HAVE A COUNTY ATTORNEY REPORT. WHICH ONE? MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE AN OBJECTION THAT THERE'S NO SECOND THAT OBJECTION. I KNOW YOU'RE YOU'RE OBJECTING. AT THE LAST MEETING FOR HIS FINAL ONE, HE NEEDED TO HAVE A COUNTY ATTORNEY'S REPORT. YOU REALLY NEED TO HAVE ONE READY. I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS IS A MR. BANKS LAST MEETING, AND HE HAS SERVED US WELL FOR MANY YEARS. HE HAS BEEN A AN ATTORNEY FOR 40 YEARS. I WAS WATCHING TRANSFORMERS AND. GOING TO THE MOVIE THEATER, WATCHING RED DAWN WHEN HE BECAME AN ATTORNEY. AND HE HAS BEEN A QUIET BUT FORCEFUL AND STEADY FORCE AT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FOR HIS TIME HERE HAS BEEN THE SECOND COUNTY ATTORNEY WE'VE HAD WHEN WE DECIDED TO MOVE IN-HOUSE AND HIS GUIDANCE HAS BEEN INVALUABLE. SO I JUST WANT TO I DON'T WANT HIM TO BE ABLE TO LEAVE THE PODIUM WITHOUT THAT BEING ACKNOWLEDGED.THANK YOU. THANK YOU BRIAN. OKAY, SO THAT THERE WAS THE COUNTY ATTORNEY REPORT KIND OF
[COUNTY MANAGER REPORT]
COUNTY MANAGER REPORT. YES, SIR. MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I COULD ALSO TO ECHO MR. LEBRECHT'S COMMENTS, I'D LIKE TO EXTEND MY APPRECIATION TO DON AND CONGRATULATIONS FOR A JOB WELL DONE. I'VE BEEN HERE UNDER BOTH SYSTEMS AND AT ALL TIMES. WE'VE ALWAYS HAD PROFESSIONAL ATTORNEYS, BUT I'VE KNOWN DON AS FAR BACK AS WHEN HE WAS THE CITY ATTORNEY FOR THE CITY OF SPRINGFIELD. AND I APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU HAVE DONE HERE. DURING MY TENURE AS A DEPARTMENT HEAD, AS THE DEPUTY COUNTY MANAGER AND NOW AS COUNTY MANAGER, AND I COUNT YOU AS A FRIEND AND WISH YOU THE BEST OF LUCK AND THANK YOU. YOU CAN GO FORWARD AND TELL ALL OF US THAT ARE BEHIND YOU HOW IT'S WORKING OUT. BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.[CHAIRMAN & COMMISSIONER COMMENTS]
COMMISSIONER COMMENTS. START WITH COMMISSIONER CROSBY. I JUST WANT TO SAY MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, ALL THE COUNTY STAFF AND TO OUR CONSTITUENTS. ALSO, THIS WEIGHS HEAVY ON MY HEART AND MY DISTRICT. AND THE JOHNS FAMILY HAD A TRAGEDY SATURDAY MORNING IN SWEET BAY, AND I WANTED TO REMEMBER TO LIFT THEM UP IN YOUR PRAYERS. REMEMBER THEM AT CHRISTMAS. THEY HAVE TWO BOYS, FIVE AND SEVEN YEARS OLD AND THEY NEED YOUR PRAYERS. AND I ALSO WANTED TO REMIND YOU THAT THEY'RE HAVING A FISH FRY BENEFIT FOR THE FAMILY THIS THURSDAY AT 11:00 AM AT UNIVERSITY ACADEMY. IT'S A BENEFIT OF THE FAMILY, AND THEY ALSO HAVE A TOY DROP OFF AT UNIVERSITY ACADEMY. IF YOU FEEL SO TO DROP SOME TYPE OF TOY OFF FOR THOSE BOYS. AND THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER RAPHAEL.COMMISSIONER CROSBY TOOK THE WORDS OUT OF MY MOUTH ABOUT THOSE TWO BOYS THAT LOST THEIR FATHER, AND THEIR MOTHER IS CRITICALLY INJURED. BUT I WANT TO WISH EVERYONE A MERRY CHRISTMAS AND TO KEEP THAT FAMILY IN YOUR PRAYERS. ALSO TO WANT TO THANK MR. DON. I ONLY WISH I COULD HAVE WORKED WITH YOU LONGER. HE AND I HAVE HAD SOME GREAT CONVERSATIONS HERE IN THE BUILDING, WORKING BOTH OF US, WORKING LATE. AND I APPRECIATE YOU, SIR, AND I WANT YOU TO ENJOY THAT NEW GRANDBABY. YES, SIR. COMMISSIONER PEACE. I DO WANT TO THANK DON FOR GUIDING
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ME THROUGH EVERYTHING UP HERE. I KNOW THEY SAT ME NEXT TO DON TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT I DIDN'T GO AWRY, AND FOR THAT, I DO APPRECIATE IT. BETWEEN DON AND ROBERT. AND DONNA ALWAYS SAYS THAT I'VE DONE A GREAT JOB, WHETHER I HAVE OR NOT, AND I HOPE THAT BRYAN WILL BE ABLE TO CONTINUE THAT TO PEP TALK. MAKE ME FEEL GOOD AT THE END OF EVERY MEETING. BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH, AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE FOR ME. I DO WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO THE PANAMA CITY BEACH UTILITY FOLKS. WE HAD A 24 INCH WATER MAIN THAT BROKE, AND THEY SPENT ALMOST 24 STRAIGHT HOURS TRYING TO REPAIR THAT THAT WATER MAIN. IT WAS A REALLY, REALLY TOUGH BREAK. THE PART THAT WENT IN WEIGHED ALMOST A TON, AND THOSE GUYS WERE WAIST DEEP IN WATER AND MUD. AND I JUST I STAYED OUT THERE WITH THEM. AND I CANNOT TELL YOU HOW HARD THEY WORKED AND HOW DILIGENTLY THEY WORKED TO GET THAT WATER BACK ON. THEY NEVER BLINKED. THEY NEVER STOPPED.THEY DIDN'T TAKE A BREAK. THEY CONTINUOUSLY WORKED. AND THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN FROM GKC NAMED JOHN SASNETT, I BELIEVE, I HOPE I'M SAYING HIS NAME CORRECT. AND JOHN CAME IN RIGHT AT WHEN WE WERE PUTTING THE NEW THE NEW VALVE ON AND JUMPED IN, JUMPED IN RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF EVERYTHING AND HELPED US GET THAT LAST PART DONE SO WE COULD GET THE WATER BACK ON. AND I JUST WANT TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW THAT EVERYBODY WITH PANAMA CITY BEACH WAS OUT THERE AND THE MAYOR WAS OUT THERE, COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND REALLY WORKING HARD TO GET THAT. IT WAS JUST A TOUGH BREAK. AND THANKS FOR EVERYONE'S PATIENCE ON THAT ONE. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CARROLL. YES, SIR. WELL, UNFORTUNATELY THAT WATER BROKE DURING THE OFF SEASON. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN REALLY BAD DURING 4TH OF JULY. YEAH. AND WITH THAT, I HAVE ONE OF MY FIRST CALLS WAS TO BOB TO MAKE SURE WHAT KIND OF INVENTORY DO WE HAVE ON LARGE VALVES AND PIPES. SO ANYWAY, I, I FELT BETTER AFTER WE SPOKE. DON, I WANT TO WISH YOU A HAPPY RETIREMENT. YOU AND I PROBABLY HAVE THE LONGEST HISTORY. WE SET MANY OF CITY OF SPRINGFIELD COMMISSION MEETINGS AS WE WERE SEEKING APPROVALS FOR WHATEVER PROJECTS OVER THERE. SO I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT HIGHLY OF YOU AND THOUGHT OF YOU AS A FRIEND AND JUST WISH YOU THE BEST AND TAKE CARE OF THAT GRANDBABY. AND DON, AS LONG AS HE'S BEEN HERE, HE'S GOT MORE VACATION TIME THAN ANY OF US COULD DREAM OF. BUT YET EVERY DAY HE'S HERE, HE'S WALKING THE HALLS, HE'S IN HIS OFFICE, AND WE THOUGHT FOR SURE WE WOULDN'T SEE HIM FROM LAST MEETING. BUT TRUE. GENTLEMEN, I'D LIKE TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO COREY PARSONS AND THE STAFF AT THE SOLID WASTE GROUP OF HOLY NATIVITY. KIDS ACTUALLY WANTED TO GO TO THE LANDFILL, AND THEY TOOK THEM, SHOWED THEM ALL AROUND, AND THEY LITERALLY HAD THE BEST DAY AT THE LANDFILL. IT'S NOT EVERY DAY YOU GET VISITORS THAT WANT TO BE AT THE LANDFILL. SO THEY WERE EAGER TO SHOW THOSE YOUNG WOMEN AND GIRLS OUT THERE. SO JUST VERY GRATEFUL FOR OUR STAFF AND JUST SO HOSPITABLE. SO ANYWAY, WISH EVERYONE A MERRY CHRISTMAS. BE SAFE. HOPEFULLY YOU GET TO ENJOY SOME TIME WITH YOUR FAMILY.
DON'T FORGET THAT THIS IS THE SEASON THAT WE'RE THINKING FOR THE BIRTH OF OUR CHRIST, AND JUST HOPE YOU GET TO ENJOY YOUR FAMILY. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. LAST WEEK I GOT THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE PRESENT AND TO SPEAK AT THE PAN CARE RIBBON CUTTING THAT'S ON 98 THERE IN PANAMA CITY. AND JUST SOME INTERESTING FACTS. I THINK I WANTED TO MAKE SURE TO BE ABLE TO SHARE THAT THIS PAST YEAR, FOR 2020, FOR PAN CARE, WHICH HAS BEEN SERVING BAY COUNTY FOR 22 YEARS. BUT THIS LAST YEAR, PAN CARE WAS ABLE TO PROVIDE SERVICE TO 25,000 INDIVIDUAL BAY COUNTY RESIDENTS. YOU KNOW, THAT'S ABOUT 12.5% OF OUR COUNTY'S RESIDENTS THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO TOUCH IN SOME SHAPE, FORM OR FASHION BETWEEN THE OLD OFFICE THAT THEY HAD, THE YOUNGSTOWN SITE AND THEN WHAT THEY DO THROUGH THEIR TRAVELING BUS TO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AND EVERYTHING. BUT I JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS INTERESTING. AND WITH THIS, THEIR EXISTING CLINIC HAD EIGHT EXAM ROOMS. THE NEW ONE HAS 12. THEY'RE GOING TO REPURPOSE THE OLD, BUT THEY HAVE ADDRESSED AND MET THE NEEDS OF A LOT OF OUR LOWER INCOME CITIZENS. AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T REALIZE IS, YOU KNOW, IN THEM SERVING THE HEALTH NEEDS OF THOSE CITIZENS, THAT IS PRODUCTIVITY THAT IS USED FOR OUR WORKFORCE AND DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO MEET. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY A SHOUT OUT TO ROBERT AND HIS PAN CARE TEAM AND WHAT THEY'VE DONE. THANK YOU ALL FOR THAT AND LOOK FORWARD TO WATCH
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WHAT YOU ALL BE DOING THROUGH THE FORWARD THROUGH THE UPCOMING YEARS, I SHOULD SAY. AND THEN YOU KIND OF TOOK IT. I WAS WONDERING, WAS ANYBODY GOING TO KIND OF TAKE BILL'S PLACE FOR WHAT IS SHARED? I ALMOST THINK WE OUGHT TO ASK BILL JUST TO COME BACK EVERY YEAR JUST TO KIND OF CONTINUE THAT TRADITION. BUT THIS IS THE CHRISTMAS SEASON COMING UP. AND WHILE THERE ARE SOME THAT DON'T, AS BILL SAID, YOU KNOW, FOR HIM IT WAS ABOUT THE CELEBRATION OF THE BIRTH OF OUR CHRIST AND SAVIOR. AND I'M GETTING EMOTIONAL THINKING ABOUT BILL. NO. I'M GOOD. NO, I'M NOT DRINKING THAT MUCH WATER. WELL PLAYED. YOU PULLED ME OUT OF IT. SO BUT JUST LOOKING FORWARD TO CELEBRATING THAT TO PLEASE DO REMEMBER THE JOHN'S FAMILY AND IF YOU CAN HELP THEM AND SUPPORT IN THAT WAY. DON OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS THOROUGHLY ENJOYED SERVING WITH YOU, HAVING ATTORNEY CONVERSATIONS BEHIND CLOSED DOORS AND BEING A SNARKY ATTORNEY THAT CAN THAT CAN TALK TO YOU ABOUT THINGS IN A CERTAIN WAY. AND YOU JUST SETTING ME BACK ON COURSE. SO APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND EVERYTHING YOU DID AND REALLY ENJOYED WORKING WITH YOU. AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, COMMISSIONER CARROLL, I WANT MY CUP BACK. SO ON THAT WE ARE* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.