[00:00:01] CALL THE REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING FOR JULY 15TH, 2025 TO ORDER. IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. COMMISSIONER CROSBY. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER RASPAIL. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER CARROLL. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER. PEACE. YES, MA'AM. CHAIRMAN. MOORE. YES, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT. NEXT WE HAVE THE INVOCATION BY PASTOR BLAKE SMITH. AND THEN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE BY MARK MORRISSEY WITH VETERAN SERVICES. WOULD PLEASE JOIN US. GOOD MORNING. LET'S PRAY. LORD, WE THANK YOU. THIS DAY THAT YOU ARE ALREADY AWESOME. THIS DAY IS AMAZING. WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE HOT, BUT YOU'RE STILL GOING TO BE GREAT. LORD, BE WITH US IN THIS MEETING. HAVE COOLNESS PREVAIL. GIVE US WISDOM. GIVE ALL THE LEADING AND THE GUIDANCE THEY NEED TO KEEP THIS COUNTY EXACTLY THE WAY YOU WANT IT. WE THANK YOU FOR SO MANY BLESSINGS, NOT THE LEAST OF WHICH FOR JESUS. IN HIS NAME WE PRAY. AMEN. AMEN. PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ALL RIGHT. NOW. APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA. YES, SIR. [APPROVAL OF AGENDA (Additions or Deletions)] MR. CHAIRMAN, I'VE HAD A REQUEST TO MOVE ITEM NUMBER THREE TO THE REGULAR AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. WITH THAT, CAN I GET A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE. AGENDA. SECOND. MOTION A SECOND, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. COMMISSIONER. CAROL. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER. PEACE. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER CROSBY. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER. RAPHAEL. YES, MA'AM. CHAIRMAN. MOORE. YES, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE NO PRESENTATIONS TODAY. SO WE MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT. THIS IS RELATED TO ANY ITEM ON OUR AGENDA THAT IS NOT SCHEDULED FOR ALLOWING FOR PUBLIC HEARING. CARE TO SPEAK? IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE COME FORWARD. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. SEEING NO TAKERS. WE'LL MOVE ALONG TO CONSENT AGENDA. MR. COUNTY MANAGER. [CONSENT AGENDA] YES, SIR. MR. CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS, GOOD MORNING. ON YOUR CONSENT AGENDA TODAY UNDER THE CLERK OF COURTS. ITEM ONE REVENUE AND EXPENDITURES RECOMMENDATIONS. THE BOARD ACKNOWLEDGE RECEIPT OF THE REPORTS UNDER THE BUDGET OFFICE. ITEM TWO FY 2025 BUDGET AMENDMENT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. THE BOARD ADOPT A RESOLUTION AMENDING THE FISCAL YEAR 2425 BUDGET UNDER COUNTY ATTORNEY ITEM THREE INITIAL RATE RESOLUTION FOR 2025 PROPERTY ABATEMENT ASSESSMENT PROGRAM. THAT ITEM WAS MOVED TO REGULAR AGENDA ITEM FOR PRELIMINARY RATE RESOLUTION FOR STREETLIGHTS, TWIN LAKE VEGETATION REMOVAL, AND STORMWATER SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS. STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. THE BOARD APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY RATE RESOLUTIONS FOR THE FOLLOWING SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS. PRETTY WAY STREET LIGHTING ASHLAND STREET LIGHTING. MAGNOLIA HILL STREET LIGHTING, GRAND LAGOON, SHORE STREET LIGHTING, TWIN LAKE VEGETATION REMOVAL AND STORMWATER AND AUTHORIZE THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN THE RESOLUTIONS. ITEM FIVE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH BAY COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. THE BOARD APPROVED THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE BAY COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE RELATED TO TRAINING AND OTHER OBLIGATIONS WITH PRIORITY DISPATCH CORPORATION, AND AUTHORIZE THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN THE AGREEMENT. ITEM SIX SUGAR SAND. NAME CHANGE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS THE BOARD ADOPT A RESOLUTION RENAMING SUGAR SAND EAST TO EAST SUGAR LAND, SAND WAY AND SUGAR SAND WEST TO WEST SUGAR SAND WAY AND AUTHORIZE THE CHAIRMAN TO EXECUTE THE SAME. ITEM SEVEN FINAL PLAT OR PLAT. ADMINISTRATIVE AUTHORITY APPROVAL. STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. THE BOARD ADOPT A RESOLUTION DESIGNATING AN ADMINISTRATIVE AUTHORITY TO ISSUE FINAL APPROVAL OF A PLAT OR PLAT UNDER COUNTY MANAGER'S OFFICE. ITEM EIGHT TDC APPOINTMENT CONFIRMATION STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. THE BOARD CONFIRM THE CITY OF PANAMA CITY BEACH TDCJ RECOMMENDATION TO APPOINT JASON BLANKS FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE COLLECTOR SEAT TERM, WHICH WILL EXPIRE ON DECEMBER 30TH, 2027. 27. UNDER EMERGENCY SERVICES ITEM NINE, RATIFY THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF MANAGEMENT SERVICES AGREEMENT AMENDMENTS. STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. THE BOARD RATIFY THE AMENDED PUBLIC SAFETY ANSWERING POINT UPGRADE PROJECT GRANT AGREEMENT WITH THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF MANAGEMENT SERVICES. ITEM TEN FIRST DO AGREEMENT NON-RENEWAL STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. THE BOARD APPROVED THE NON-RENEWAL OF SOME TO ALL OF THE MODULES IN THE CURRENT AGREEMENT WITH CARRIAGE SOFT TECHNOLOGY, LOCALITY MEDIA DBA FIRST DO AND AUTHORIZE STAFF TO SEEK REPLACEMENT PROVIDERS UNDER TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL. ITEM 11 TDC CONTRACT AMENDMENT FY 2025 STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. THE BOARD APPROVE A CONTRACT AMENDMENT AUTHORIZING THE PANAMA CITY BEACH CONVENTION VISITORS BUREAU TO ASSUME MANAGEMENT OF THE BAY COUNTY ARTIFICIAL REEF PROGRAM UNDER UTILITY SERVICES. ITEM 12, NORTH BAY WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITY. SEQUENTIAL BATCH REACTOR STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. THE BOARD AWARD CONTRACT ITV 2539 NORTH BAY WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITY SEQUENTIAL BATCH REACTOR IMPROVEMENTS. HURRICANE SALLY PROJECT HMP 564022. A IN THE AMOUNT OF $4,899,690, TO MARSHALL BROTHERS CONSTRUCTION AND ENGINEERING, INC., AND AUTHORIZE THE CHAIRMAN TO EXECUTE THE CONTRACT AND MAKE ANY NECESSARY CONTRACT MODIFICATIONS AS APPROVED BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. [00:05:04] MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT'S YOUR CONSENT AGENDA THIS MORNING, AND STAFF RESPECTFULLY REQUEST A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. ALL RIGHT. CAN I GET A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND MOTION. AND SECOND, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. COMMISSIONER CROSBY. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER CARROLL. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER BARFIELD. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER. PEACE. YES, MA'AM. CHAIRMAN. MOORE. YES, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT. NOW WE ARE TO ITEM NUMBER THREE. INITIAL RATE RESOLUTION FOR 2025. [County Attorney] PROPERTY ABATEMENT ASSESSMENT PROGRAM. YES, SIR. MR. CHAIRMAN. STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. THE BOARD APPROVED THE INITIAL ASSESSMENT RESOLUTION FOR THE 2025 PROPERTY ABATEMENT ASSESSMENT PROGRAM, AND AUTHORIZED THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN THE SAME. COUNTY STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. GOOD MORNING. COMMISSIONERS. I APPRECIATE IT. I HAD ASKED TO HAVE IT MOVED OFF, AND I JUST WANTED TO REALLY JUST DISCUSS THE ENTIRE THING JUST A LITTLE BIT. I WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW THAT THIS INCLUDES SOMEONE THAT, LET'S JUST SAY, DOESN'T MOW THE GRASS. SO SAY THERE IS A ILLNESS IN THE FAMILY OR THE PERSON THAT LIVES THERE SICK, CANCER, WHATEVER BRINGS THEM DOWN CAN'T MOW THE GRASS. THEY GET A TICKET. THEY STILL CAN'T MOW THE GRASS. THEN A LINE GETS PUT ON THEIR HOUSE. AND THEIR HOUSE CAN BE TAKEN FROM THEM FROM ON THE GRASS. I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO FIND ANOTHER SOLUTION FOR THESE SMALL SITUATIONS, AND I JUST I JUST CAN'T. AND I WOULD LOVE FOR SOMEONE TO TRY TO HELP ME UNDERSTAND IT MORE OR MAKE ME, MAKE ME FEEL LIKE THAT. I THINK IT'S OKAY TO DO THAT. SO I'M SORRY, MA'AM. SUSIE, THIS IS FOR THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. YOU'RE ADAM'S NEXT. I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE AGENDA. YOU'RE LOOKING LIKE. I DON'T THINK SHE'S GOOD. NOT THAT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS, BUT YOU GO RIGHT AHEAD. SO JUST. I'M JUST WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT. WE'VE HAD ONE ON ONES. WE'VE DISCUSSED IT BEFORE. I'VE NEVER LIKED IT. I STILL DON'T LIKE IT. AND I THINK THAT WE AS A GROUP, COULD COME UP WITH A BETTER SOLUTION FOR SOME OF THESE SMALL THINGS. NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY TO PUT A DOLLAR AMOUNT ON IT. I MEAN, I KNOW MY OWN GRASS, MY BROTHER'S SICK. I GO MOW HIS GRASS WHEN I GET THROUGH. BUT IF HE DIDN'T HAVE SOMEONE LIKE ME, THEN HE HE WOULD HE WOULD HAVE THIS PROBLEM. SO I JUST THINK WE NEED TO TRY TO THINK OUT OF THE BOX ONCE IN A WHILE ON SOME OF THESE THINGS, AND SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH A BETTER SOLUTION FOR THE FOR THE SMALLER THINGS. AND BOB MICA HAD TOLD ME ABOUT A211. NUMBER YOU COULD CALL, WHICH I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT UNTIL RIGHT THIS MINUTE, THIS MORNING. SO I'M CERTAIN THAT THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE THAT DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S MAYBE GETTING VALERIE TO HELP US GET THE WORD SPREAD ABOUT THAT. AND MAYBE SOME OF THESE INSTANCES WON'T HAPPEN AT ALL. OR MAYBE WE COULD PULL THESE SMALL THINGS OUT OF THIS. I REALIZE PEOPLE NEED TO CLEAN UP THEIR PLACE. I'M NOT SAYING THEY DON'T. THEY DON'T NEED TO LEAVE ABANDONED CARS. AND I'M 100% UNDERSTANDING THAT THEIR HOUSE DOESN'T NEED TO BE FALLING IN AROUND THEM AND NOT DO ANYTHING. BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES THAT I THINK WE NEED TO TRY TO HAVE SOME SORT OF A WORKAROUND IF YOU WANT TO CALL THAT. I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU CALL IT IN GOVERNMENT, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD CALL IT IN THE EVERYDAY WORLD. SO I COULD MAYBE SUGGEST ON THE LIMIT. I THINK WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHETHER THERE'S AN ABILITY TO SET A LIMIT, MAYBE CHARGE CERTAIN CHARGES BELOW. MAYBE DON'T GO TO LEAN. BUT THERE WILL HAVE TO BE A MECHANISM FOR THE PUBLIC BODY TO COLLECT EXPENSES ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. SO WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IS, LET'S SAY YOU SET THE LIMIT, YOU KNOW, NOTHING LESS THAN $1,000 AT SOME POINT IN TIME. AND I'M KIND OF GOING TO LOOK AT YOU, BILL, BECAUSE THIS IS A YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE TO PROBABLY HAVE A PROCESS WHERE THAT WOULD CONVERT TO BAD DEBT, AND THEN THE BOARD WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION TO EITHER WAIVE THAT DEBT OR HAVE A DEBT COLLECTOR GO. NOW. AGAIN, IT WOULD STILL BE SOMEBODY PURSUING THE INDIVIDUAL TO GET THE FUNDING, BUT IT WOULD NOT BE AS INTRUSIVE TO YOUR POINT AS IT GOING ON THE TAX BILL AND SOMEONE LOSING THEIR HOUSE. SO WE COULD WE COULD MAYBE HAVE A MECHANISM WHERE WE DON'T CONVERT THINGS TO A LIEN BELOW A CERTAIN, BUT WE WOULD STILL NEED TO HAVE SOME MECHANISM TO GO GET THE PUBLIC MONEY BACK. AND I DO THINK THAT THEY EVENTUALLY SHOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR IT IF WE HAVE TO GO IN AND MOW THEIR MOTHER PROPERTY. I MEAN, I'VE GOT A PRETTY BIG YARD, AND IT TAKES ME ABOUT AN HOUR TO GET IT ALL MOWED AND CLEANED UP. SO I THINK THE NUMBER ONE, THE PRICE FOR US GOING TO DO IT SHOULD BE A FAIR PRICE, WHETHER WE SUB IT OUT OR WHATEVER IT IS, BUT THE PERSON STILL IS GOING TO HAVE TO PAY FOR IT. I JUST DON'T THINK WE SHOULD TAKE THEIR HOME AWAY FROM THEM BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T CUT THEIR GRASS. [00:10:04] AND IF WE CAN DO THAT BY PUTTING A SOME KIND OF A LEAN ON THEIR HOUSE ANY WAY, THAT IF THEY SELL THEIR HOME, THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR IT, OR IF SOMEONE INHERITS THE HOME, THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR IT. THE LAWYER HAS TO FIGURE ALL THAT OUT. I JUST THINK WE NEED TO I THINK WE JUST NEED TO THINK ABOUT IF I COULD. CHAIRMAN. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONERS, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT THESE GO THROUGH A PROCESS WHERE THEY HAVE HAD MULTIPLE CHANCES TO SPEAK WITH THE MAGISTRATE AND THE MAGISTRATES, IF THERE IS SOME CIRCUMSTANCE, YOU KNOW, ARE USUALLY MORE THAN WILLING TO GIVE THEM EXTENSIONS. AND THEN I THINK THERE'S ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY TO APPLY FOR A HARDSHIP IF NEEDED. SO I DIDN'T WANT YOU TO THINK THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A ONE TIME THING. AND THEY HAVEN'T HAD NOTICE BECAUSE THEY HAVE HAD NOTICE. AND A LOT OF IT IS, YOU KNOW, COULD BE DEMOLITIONS, COULD BE DERELICT VEHICLES, COULD BE JUNK TRASH. I DON'T THINK MOST OF THESE ARE JUST HAVING THE GRASS CUT. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. AND AND EVEN WITH THE DERELICT VEHICLE THEY COULD HAVE A DERELICT VEHICLE THAT THEY'RE STILL MAKING A PAYMENT ON. IF YOU HAVE A STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY, I BELIEVE YOU CAN HAVE ONE DERELICT VEHICLE. RIGHT? SO IT'S MORE LIKE PEOPLE WHO HAVE MULTIPLE DERELICT VEHICLES SITTING ON THEIR PROPERTY. SURE. AND I'VE SEEN THAT AND I AGREE WITH THAT. AND I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I JUST THINK WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING. BESIDES TAKING THE GAMBLE THAT IT'S GOING TO WORK OUT THAT WAY EVERY TIME. WE COULD COME UP WITH A SOLUTION. WE CERTAINLY NEED TO GET THE WORD OUT ABOUT SOMEONE THAT WOULD COME AND MOW THEIR GRASS AND NOT. I MEAN, WE. I MEAN, I WOULD THINK THAT PEOPLE WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY MAYBE LIKE THEIR CHURCHES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, ALSO TO ASK THE COMMUNITY, SOMEBODY ON THE TEAM. SO THERE'S A PROGRAM THAT WE FUND THROUGH THE UNITED WAY EVERY YEAR. IT'S 211. IT'S TO HELP PEOPLE OUT WITH THIS. AND SO WE'LL CIRCLE BACK AND MAKE SURE THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT IS DISTRIBUTING THAT INFORMATION. SO IF YOU'RE IN THAT SITUATION YOU CAN CALL 211. THERE ARE AGENCIES WHO SIGN UP. FAITH BASED ORGANIZATIONS, NON-PROFITS WHO WILL COME OUT AND THEY'LL HELP PEOPLE WITH CLEANING THEIR PROPERTY. THEY'LL HELP PEOPLE WITH REPAIRS. THEY'LL HELP PEOPLE WITH REMOVING VEHICLES. MAYBE WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB AND BUY THEIR GROCERIES. LET THE PUBLIC KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT. LET'S TRY TO HELP A LITTLE BIT MORE. OKAY, I'LL DEFINITELY TALK. WE'LL DEFINITELY I'LL TALK WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT AND WE'LL TRY TO LEARN AND I'LL FIGURE OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT AND HOW WE CAN SORT OF GET THE WORD OUT A LITTLE BIT BETTER AND MAYBE TALK TO SOME PEOPLE AT THEIR HEARINGS. DO YOU THINK YOU COULD COME UP WITH A SOLUTION TO DO A LIKE BOB SAYING $1,000? CUT OFF ON ACTUALLY TAKING SOMEBODY HOME, EVEN. I MEAN, WE CAN DEFINITELY TALK ABOUT WHATEVER Y'ALL WANT TO TALK ABOUT. WE CAN. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WE CAN BRING THAT BACK. WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO DO TODAY IS JUST SIMPLY PUT THIS TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX IN SEPTEMBER, THERE'S ACTUALLY A SEPARATE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS WHERE THESE INDIVIDUAL ASSESSMENTS ARE ARE PUT ON A PUBLIC MEETING, AND THE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND PROTEST. SO WHAT I WOULD REQUEST IS, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD TAKE WHATEVER ACTION THAT FEELS APPROPRIATE ON THIS ITEM TODAY. AND THEN BETWEEN NOW AND THE FALL, WE BRING A POLICY BACK TO YOU THAT WE'VE HAD TIME TO VET WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE AND THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO HAVE YOU ADOPT SO THAT WHEN THAT ASSESSMENT ROLE GETS SET IN SEPTEMBER, ANYBODY THAT'S IN THAT CATEGORY WOULD WOULD BE DROPPED OFF OR WOULD NOT BE. CORRECT. THIS IS JUST THE VERY FIRST STEP OF THIS. SO THE PUBLIC WILL GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO OBJECT AND TO ATTEND THE PUBLIC HEARING ON IT. SURE. AND I'M SURE THAT THERE'S A LITTLE LADY WHO'S BEEN SICK WITH CANCER IS GOING TO WANT TO RUSH UP HERE AND DEFEND HERSELF ABOUT CUTTING THE GRASS. THAT'S NOT WHAT I HAD IN MY MIND. JUST TELLING YOU, JUST BEING HONEST. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US PUT SOMETHING IN PLAY. SIMPLE. THOUSAND DOLLARS, I MEAN, IS NOT ASKING THAT MUCH. AND IF THEY SELL THE HOME OR SOMEONE INHERITS A HOME, THEY GOT TO PAY THE BILL. MAYBE WE DON'T WANT TO. IF IF EVERYONE'S GOOD, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO THAT THAT WE. ACCEPT THIS PROPERTY ABATEMENT ASSESSMENT PROGRAM WITH THAT CAVEAT IN THERE. AND SMART, SMART GUYS AND GALS CAN WORK OUT THE DETAILS ON THE THOUSAND BUCKS. SO WE CAN WRITE THAT UP AS A MOTION. I'D LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION. LIKE A THRESHOLD. $1,000 THRESHOLD, JUST FOR SIMPLE, YOU KNOW, SOME GRASS CUTTING OR CLEANUP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT WE GO AND CUT THE PEOPLE'S GRASS EVERY WEEK. YOU KNOW, IF WE JUST JUST OPEN UP THE DOOR WHERE PEOPLE CAN I GET $1,000 CREDIT. SO I JUST WORRY ABOUT OPENING UP THE DOOR, AND THEN PEOPLE START ABUSING THE SYSTEM. [00:15:05] YEAH, I THINK I THINK, COMMISSIONER CAROL, WHAT WE WOULD BRING BACK TO YOU WOULD BE, IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT COMMISSIONER PIECE IS SAYING IS THAT THEY WOULDN'T BE RELEASED OF THIS, WE JUST WOULDN'T CONVERT IT TO A TAX LIEN. WE MIGHT PUT IT AS A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY THROUGH ANOTHER MECHANISM. SO THEY MAY STILL HAVE A LIEN. THEY JUST WOULD NOT BE ON THEIR TAX BILL WHERE THEY HAVE TO PAY IT EVERY YEAR. AND IF THEY FAIL TO THAT THEIR PROPERTY GOES TO THE TAX SALE. IS THAT CLEAR? YEAH. AND I THINK WE DO HAVE SOME LIENS NOW. LIKE THAT, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. OR WE DID, BECAUSE I KNOW OF ONE, ONE PERSON THAT WE HAD SOMEONE THAT WE THAT I THINK THE LIENS ARE STILL THERE. I, I DON'T KNOW. YOU'RE 100% RIGHT. WE DON'T WANT TO OPEN THE DOOR FOR ANYTHING. BUT THE OTHER PART OF THIS IS WE CAN MONITOR THAT. WE CAN MONITOR AND SEE HOW MUCH OF THAT IS. I MEAN, WE'VE WE'VE TAKEN THIS POSITION ON SEVERAL OTHER PROGRAMS IN THE PAST. AND WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS THOSE THOSE KIND OF NON TAX LIENS HAVE GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE THEY'RE SIGNIFICANT AND THEY'VE BEEN THEY'VE LANGUISHED FOR YEARS. AND PREVIOUSLY THE BOARD MADE A DECISION TO TAKE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF THOSE AND CONVERT THEM TO TAX LIENS AFTER A CERTAIN NUMBER OF YEARS WHEN THEY JUST THE PROPERTY DIDN'T TRANSITION, THEY WEREN'T PAID OFF. SO THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD MIGHT BE ASKED TO REVISIT IN THE FUTURE, BECAUSE SHORT OF THAT, WE CAN'T CARRY FOR AUDIT PURPOSES. I CAN'T CARRY THAT THAT ACCOUNT PAYABLE. BAD DEBT ON OUR BOOKS WITHOUT PROVIDING SOME TYPE OF ANSWER TO THE PUBLIC ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO RELEASE THAT, AND SHORT OF A LIEN OR CONVERTING IT TO A TAX LIEN. YOU WILL HAVE AN ITEM BACK IN FRONT OF YOU AT SOME POINT IN TIME WHERE YOU'RE ASKED TO FORGIVE THAT DEBT. AND SOMETIMES THOSE NUMBERS CAN BE OVER OVER YEARS CAN BE SIGNIFICANT. THEY CAN BE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS THAT YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO WAIVE. WHICH WHICH AGAIN, THE BOARD CAN DO. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT. RIGHT. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M ASKING FOR HERE. BUT THAT IS KIND OF THE EXTENSION OF IT THOUGH, IS IF WE DO THIS IN A CERTAIN WAY AND WE DON'T, WE DON'T BUTTON DOWN THE FOUR CORNERS OF IT. WE COULD EXPOSE FUTURE BOARDS, WHOEVER THEY MAY BE, TO THAT SAME ISSUE. SO THE POINT YOU RAISE IS VALID. AND I THINK OF THE SAME THING I DEALT WITH ONE CITIZEN THAT WAS TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T FAIR. THIS ISN'T FAIR. BUT THE FLIP SIDE IS IF IF EVERYBODY ELSE ON THAT SAME STREET IS DOING WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO, IS IT FAIR TO THOSE OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE ACTUALLY FOLLOWING WHAT THEY'RE DOING? I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT THAT ONE PERSON THAT'S SICK, BUT FOR THE ONE PERSON WHO IS SICK, THERE ARE A WHOLE LOT OF OTHERS THAT TO TO ROBERTS THING, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IN EVERYTHING WE DO. AND IT'S IT'S ONE OF THE FRUSTRATING THINGS, I THINK THAT ALL OF US EXPERIENCE WITH THIS IS THAT BALANCE THAT WE'VE GOT TO FIND IN HOW TO DO THIS FOR THOSE THAT DO NEED IT VERSUS THOSE WHO TRY TO ABUSE THE SYSTEM AND, AND, AND THE STAFF THAT WORKS FOR THE COUNTY AND THEM ENFORCING THOSE FOR THE BENEFIT OF EVERYBODY ELSE. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE OUT OF THIS PERSONALLY WOULD BE, IS WE GO THROUGH THIS IS LET'S JUST MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT THROUGH SEPTEMBER BEFORE WE HAVE TO MAKE OUR FINAL VOTE. LET'S JUST MAKE SURE THAT WITH COUNTY ATTORNEY'S AND EVERYTHING WE LOOK AT, MAKING SURE WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, WHAT WHAT GOES THROUGH THE THE TAX LIEN SIDE, WHAT GOES THROUGH FROM FROM RECORDING A PUBLIC LIEN WITH, WITH THE CLERK AND EVERYTHING ON THAT END. BUT I'D ALSO LIKE TO LOOK AT THIS BECAUSE WE RECENTLY MADE CHANGES TO THE WAY CODE ENFORCEMENT WORKS. SO LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT PROCESS FROM THE BEGINNING OF NOW. LIKE THERE TWO HEARINGS BEFORE THE MAGISTRATE, ONE THAT HAPPENS INITIAL, THEY'RE GIVEN TIME. AND THEN THERE'S THE FOLLOW UP. SO LET'S LET'S LOOK AT THAT AND HOLISTICALLY WITH INCLUSIVE OF WHAT CLAIRE IS ASKING ABOUT, ABOUT WHICH AVENUE THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE INSTEAD OF DOING THAT TO SEE WHICH PATH THIS NEEDS TO FLOW DOWN. BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IF WE CREATE TOO MUCH AMBIGUITY, WE'RE GOING TO LIKE I SAID, MY CONCERN IS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE STUFF THAT'S GOING TO LEACH THROUGH AND DOWN THE ROAD TO WHAT BOB'S TALKING ABOUT. I MEAN, WE JUST WE WE GOT NOTICE FROM THE STATE ABOUT OUR DODGE AUDIT AND THAT'S STARTING UP. SO I'M THINKING ABOUT WITH AUDITS AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT DOING SOMETHING THAT COULD CREATE A FINDING FOR US LATER ON FROM THE COUNTY THAT WE'LL HAVE TO DEAL WITH. BUT I MEAN, AGAIN, YOUR POINT IS VALID. SO I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND I THINK WE COULD. I'M NOT I'M CERTAINLY NOT SAYING WE FORGIVE THE MONEY AT ALL. SO WE KNOW WE KNOW THAT. I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY THAT THERE HAS TO BE A MECHANISM THAT WE CAN TRY TO HELP THE PEOPLE A LITTLE BIT BEFORE WE. I MEAN, WITHOUT DOING THE TAX LIEN KNOW, DOING A TAX LIEN, WHICH THERE ARE SOME ON THE BOOKS RIGHT NOW THAT ARE NOT CONNECTED TO TAKING SOMEONE'S HOUSE. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY'RE CALLED, BUT WE DID LOOK AT THEM ON SOMEONE ELSE QUITE A WHILE BACK. THEY ARE SOME TYPE OF A LIEN. DO YOU, DO YOU? NO THEY'RE NOT. THEY'RE THE THE ONES THAT ARE NOT. TAX LIENS ARE USUALLY A MECHANIC'S LIEN I THINK IS PROBABLY THE PROPER WAY TO DEFINE THAT. SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF, IF SOMEBODY HAS A NUMBER OF RECURRING CODE ENFORCEMENT CITATIONS WHICH ARE DIFFERENT THAN THIS AND THEY STACK UP. [00:20:06] YEAH, WE MAY, WE MAY AT THAT POINT GO TAKE ALL OF THOSE AND MAKE IT A MECHANIC'S LEAN ON. THEY CAN GET A BUNCH OF FINES IN A DIFFERENT LINE. SO THEY ARE DEFINITELY GAMING THE SYSTEM I'M TALKING ABOUT. SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, WHAT I WOULD TAKE FROM THIS CONVERSATION IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD BRING BACK TO YOU A DRAFT POLICY. WE'LL START AT $1,000 AND WE'LL PUT SOME OF THIS INFORMATION. THEN WE'LL BRING IT BACK BETWEEN NOW AND SEPTEMBER FOR YOU GUYS TO HAVE ON AN AGENDA. AND IN THE INTERVENING TIME, YOU CAN INDIVIDUALLY PROVIDE US DIRECTION ON WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE. BUT I THINK THAT'S THE THE DIRECTION I'M HEARING TODAY IS LET'S, YOU KNOW, BRING A POLICY BACK WITH THIS THOUSAND DOLLAR MINIMUM IN A DRAFT AND THEN YOU GUYS CAN. SO I HATE TO PUSH THIS OFF BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S IMPORTANT NOT TO CONTINUE THINGS. SO SHALL WE JUST VOTE FOR THIS? AS IS WITH KNOWING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BRING THIS BACK SO I CAN JUST PULL MY MOTION BACK? YES, MA'AM. BECAUSE ALL THIS DOES TODAY IS ESTABLISH THAT IT JUST ESTABLISHES THE IT JUST AUTHORIZES THE PROGRAM. AND WHAT WE'LL BRING BACK TO YOU BETWEEN NOW AND SEPTEMBER IS THE MODIFICATION TO THE RULES, IF YOU WILL. BUT BEFORE YOU HAVE THAT HEARING IN SEPTEMBER, THIS THIS IS FRAMING IT. THEY JUST GOT TO GO BACK AND DRAFT IT. WELL, I'M HAPPY TO. THIS IS MY MOTION, AND WE'LL WE'LL MAKE ONE TO MOVE ALONG HERE SO THAT WE CAN WE CAN GET THIS DONE WITH KNOWING THAT WE'RE COMING BACK IN SEPTEMBER WITH A SOLUTION. AND IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYBODY AGREES WE NEED TO FIND SOME LITTLE SOMETHING. IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL, BUT IT IT COULD BE A BIG DEAL TO SOMEONE. SO I'LL SECOND THAT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. MOTION A SECOND IF YOU WOULD PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. COMMISSIONER. PEACE. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER CARROLL. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER CROSBY. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER RAYFIELD. YES, MA'AM. CHAIRMAN MOORE. YES, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT. NOW WE ARE ON TO YOU, SUSIE. THIS IS ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER 13. [Budget Office] BUDGET OFFICE PROPOSED MAXIMUM MILLAGE RATE FOR FISCAL YEAR 26. LET'S TRY THIS AGAIN. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. SO BEFORE YOU TODAY ARE THE PROPOSED MAXIMUM MILLAGE RATES FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026. THESE ARE THE CEILING NUMBERS, WHICH MEANS THAT THE MILLAGE RATES THAT ARE ADOPTED IN SEPTEMBER CAN BE NO HIGHER THAN THESE. THE PROPOSED RATES ARE AS FOLLOWS. GENERAL FUND 5.4362 MILLS. MOSQUITO CONTROL 0.2000 MILLS AND MSU FIRE SERVICES 1.5030 MILLS. SO WE RECOMMEND THAT YOU HAVE ANY DISCUSSION NEEDED AND AUTHORIZE THE CERTIFICATION OF THESE RATES TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER. AND WE'RE HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU. TELL US WHAT. IF WE HAD TO END UP GOING WITH THIS MAXIMUM WHAT THAT WOULD DO TO AN AVERAGE INDIVIDUAL'S TAX AS FAR AS MILLAGE, FIRST REGULAR MILLAGE AND MOSQUITO AND THEN FIRE. WELL, I DO HAVE THE DATA IN FRONT OF ME FOR JUST THE FIRE PORTION. SO EVERYBODY'S GENERAL FUND MILLAGE STAYS THE SAME. MOSQUITO, CAN YOU JUST SAY THAT A LITTLE BIT LOUDER? THE GENERAL FUND MILLAGE STAYS THE SAME. GENERAL FUND MILLAGE STAYS THE SAME. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. THAT'S PERFECT. NO INCREASE. NO. NO INCREASE. GENERAL FUND. OKAY. THAT'S REALLY WHAT I WAS WANTING. WOW. I WANTED YOU TO SPLIT IT OUT. AND SAME WITH MOSQUITO. CONTROL REMAINS THE SAME. THE INCREASE WOULD BE TO MSU FIRE SERVICES MILLAGE. IT'S 0.1230 INCREASE. AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST PROPOSED. THIS IS THE CEILING. WE STILL VOTE ON THIS IN SEPTEMBER. FOR AN AVERAGE UNINCORPORATED HOMESTEADED PROPERTY IN BAY COUNTY, WHICH IS THE ONLY PROPERTIES THAT GET THE FIRE TAX. THE AVERAGE IS ABOUT 176,000 IN TAXABLE VALUE. SO THAT ENDS UP BEING AN ADDITIONAL $22 A YEAR. 22 PER YEAR? YES. WE HAD A LOT OF MEETINGS ON THIS. AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EVERY SINGLE DEPARTMENT WENT IN AND GOT THEIR, THEIR BUDGETS IN ORDER SO THAT WE DID NOT HAVE TO RAISE THAT MAIN MILLAGE NOW. THE FIRE. WE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS ABOUT THAT, AND THAT STARTED OUT QUITE A BIT HIGHER THAN THAN IT IS NOW. THERE THERE MOST DEFINITELY IS A NEED FOR NEW EQUIPMENT AND NEW THINGS THAT ARE IN THIS BUDGET. AND I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH THE CHIEF WORKING WITH ALL OF US AND TRYING TO GET THIS DOWN TO A SITUATION WHERE WE COULD HAVE SOME THIS YEAR, SOME NEXT YEAR, AND NOT EVERYTHING AT ONE TIME. SO IT WOULD COST US, CAUSE US TO GO UP. AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK ON THAT. [00:25:02] ECHOES. SAME THING CLAIRE SAID, YOU KNOW, I GOT A TOUR OF THESE FIRE STATIONS AND TOUCH TRUCKS AND PULL ALL STICKS AND LOOK AT RIPPED SEATS AND OLD EQUIPMENT. AND THIS WAS A THIS WAS MUCH BETTER THAN WHERE WE STARTED. I AGREE, WE HAD A LOT OF MEETINGS AND THERE WERE A LOT OF TENSIONS IN THOSE ROOMS. AND BEING A FIRST YEAR COMMISSIONER, IF I, IF I SHOWED MY REAR A LITTLE BIT, I DON'T APOLOGIZE. TRYING TO SAVE OUR CONSTITUENTS AS MUCH MONEY AS WE CAN. BUT I THINK WE MET A GOOD MEETING GROUND ON THIS. SO THANK YOU GUYS FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO. MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I COULD REAL QUICK CLARIFICATION. I JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT THOSE MEETINGS YOU'VE BEEN HAVING WERE INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS WITH ME AND MY STAFF. YES, YES. NOT COLLECTIVELY SO THAT THERE ARE MEETINGS THAT MY STAFF AND I HAVE INDIVIDUALLY. YES. THANK YOU. A LOT OF SAUSAGE MAKING. SO GREAT JOB, STAFF. AND AGAIN THIS IS THE CEILING. WE'VE STILL GOT TIME BETWEEN NOW AND SEPTEMBER FOR THE FINAL ADOPTION. BUT THIS WOULD BE THE MAX THAT IT WOULD BE. SO BY SEPTEMBER IT WILL BE THIS OR LOWER. AND JUST A SIDE NOTE, YOUR NEW BUDGET BOOKS WILL BE ON YOUR DESKS WHEN YOU GET BACK UPSTAIRS. PERFECT. MAGICALLY APPEAR MAGICALLY. DEFINITELY BETTER THAN WHERE WE STARTED. DEFINITELY BETTER. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK, I APPRECIATE IT. I'LL I'LL ADD TO THAT. AND JUST FROM THE STANDPOINT OF ALSO TO THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS, THE SHERIFF AND ALL THE OTHERS, THEY SUBMITTED THEIR BUDGETS. THIS IS PART OF WHAT'S GOING INTO THIS AS WELL. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GROWING COMMUNITY. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF NEW PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE NOW. OUR SERVICES ARE IN DEMAND, AND WE'RE TRYING TO MEET THAT GROWTH AND APPRECIATE EVERYBODY WORKING TO TRY TO DO THAT AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE. AS WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD AND AND WITH A GROWING INFRASTRUCTURE, A GROWING POPULATION, AND A LOT OF THE REASONS WHY THESE PEOPLE ARE MOVING HERE I'VE READ MANY A SURVEY OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE MOVED HERE AND ASKED WHY. AND ONE OF THE REASONS IS PUBLIC SAFETY. AND SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE CONTINUE TO ADDRESS THOSE AND APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT WAS DONE TO HELP US GET THERE. AND AGAIN, THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR PINCH HITTING FOR MIRANDA. SHE SENDS HER REGARDS. OH, SHE'S JUST HAPPY SHE DIDN'T HAVE TO DO IT. YES, SHE IS ALL RIGHT WITH THAT. CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND. ALL RIGHT. MOTION A SECOND. IF YOU WOULD. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. COMMISSIONER CARROLL. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER RAPHAEL. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER CROSBY. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER. PEACE. YES, MA'AM. CHAIRMAN. MOORE. YES, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT. NEXT IN THE PUBLIC WORKS FISCAL YEAR 25, ANNUAL RESURFACING PHASE TWO CONTRACT AWARD, [Public Works] MR. KEITH BROWN. THANK YOU, SIR. GOOD MORNING. ON MAY 15TH, 2025, REQUEST FOR BIDS FOR THE FY 25 ANNUAL RESURFACING PHASE TWO PROJECT WAS ADVERTISED AND A PREVIOUS MEETING WAS HELD ON MAY 27TH, 2025. STAFFS EVALUATED THE BIDS AND ROBERTS AND ROBERTS INC. WAS THE LOWEST RESPONSIVE BIDDER. THE REQUESTED MOTION IS A AWARD CONTRACT 2542. THE FY 25 ANNUAL RESURFACING PHASE TWO PROJECT TO ROBERTS AND ROBERTS, INC. IN THE AMOUNT OF $922,305.90 AND BE AUTHORIZED THE CHAIRMAN TO EXECUTE THE CONTRACT AND MAKE ANY NECESSARY CONTRACT MODIFICATIONS AS APPROVED BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. ANY QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS FOR KEITH. ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THIS? SEEING NONE. CAN I GET A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. MOTION A SECOND. IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. COMMISSIONER CROSBY. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER. PEACE. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER RAYFIELD. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER CARROLL. YES, MA'AM. CHAIRMAN. MOORE. YES, MA'AM. NOW, ON THE WELL, NUMBER 15 AGAIN, MR. KEITH BRYANT, PHILIP GRIFFITH, SENIOR PARKWAY ROUTE SELECTION. THANK YOU, SIR. THE PHILIP GRIFFITH PHASE THREE PROJECT DEVELOPMENT ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY HAS IDENTIFIED THREE POTENTIAL ROUTES BETWEEN CLAIR AVENUE AND CHIP HILL PARKWAY. WITHIN THE PROJECT LIMITS, THE NORTHERN BORDER OF BREAKFAST POINT NEIGHBORHOOD WAS TREATED AS THE SOUTHERN LIMIT OF THE STUDY AREA, AND A LONG ESTABLISHED CONSERVATION EASEMENT NORTH OF BREAKFAST POINT WAS TREATED AS THE NORTHERN LIMIT OF THE STUDY AREA. PHILIP GRIFFITH SENIOR PARKWAY PHASE THREE IS BEING EVALUATED TO IMPROVE MOBILITY IN THE REGION BY PROVIDING AN ALTERNATIVE ROUTE TO US 98, OR ABOUT BEACH ROAD. ALL THREE ROUTES CONVERGE EAST ON BREAKFAST POINT AT THE EASTERN TERMINUS OF THE PROJECT, LOCATED ON CHIP HILL PARKWAY. THAT'S THERE AT THE ROUNDABOUT. THROUGH COMPREHENSIVE ENGINEERING ANALYSIS, ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT, AND PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, THE PROJECT TEAM HAS IDENTIFIED THE NORTHERN ALIGNMENT M1 AS A RECOMMENDED RECOMMENDED ALTERNATIVE FOR PGS PARKWAY PHASE THREE. MANY RESIDENTS AT THE BREAKFAST POINT NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROXIMITY OF THE ROADWAY TO THEIR HOMES, CITING ISSUES WITH ESTHETICS, NOISE CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC, AND A POTENTIAL LOSS OF PROPERTY VALUE. THIS ALIGNMENT PROVIDES THE LEAST IMPACT TO THE ADJACENT RESIDENTS. [00:30:05] OUR REQUESTED MOTION THIS MORNING IS AUTHORIZE THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN A RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT FOR THE SELECTION OF THE NORTHERN ROUTE M1 FOR THE PHILIP GRIFFITH SENIOR PARKWAY PHASE THREE PROJECT. OUR CONSULTANTS FROM OUR DESIGN TEAM ARE HERE THIS MORNING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN PUT IT UP WHERE PEOPLE CAN SEE, CAN WE? I MEAN, I GUESS IT'S NOT NECESSARY, BUT I'VE ATTENDED ALL OF THOSE MEETINGS AS YOU HAVE, KEITH. AND I THINK THE MAIN GOAL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND FOR US WAS TO GET THAT ROAD AS FAR AWAY FROM THE HOMES AS WE COULD POSSIBLY GET IT AWAY. THEY HAVE DONE THE STUDIES, THEY HAVE CHECKED THE WILDLIFE, PLANTS, EVERYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH ENVIRONMENTAL OF BUILDING A ROAD DOWN IN AN AREA WHERE IT WAS A LITTLE TRICKY, SO TO SPEAK, IN A LOT OF AREAS. AND I THINK WE HAVE GONE AS FAR AS WE CAN POSSIBLY GO. I DON'T KNOW IF THE CONSULTANTS MIGHT WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT, BUT I THINK WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED WHAT THE NEIGHBORS WANTED AS FAR AS GETTING THE ROAD AS FAR AWAY FROM THEIR HOMES AS POSSIBLE. AND MAYBE YOU COULD TALK ABOUT THE TRAIL THAT'S GOING TO BE BESIDE THE ROAD A LITTLE BIT. IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, AS PART OF THE PROJECT THE PROJECT DOES INCLUDE THE EXPANSION OF GALE'S TRAILS WEST TO CHIPS HILL PARKWAY. THIS IS SOMETHING WE WORKED WITH PANAMA CITY BEACH TO ACCOMPLISH. THEY'VE BEEN EXPANDING. I'M SORRY. EAST. THEY HAVE BEEN EXPANDING EAST FOR SOME TIME, AND WE WILL CONTINUE THAT ALL THE WAY TO CHIPS HILL IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THIS PROJECT. SO IT'S EAST OF CHIPS EAST TO CHIPS HILL. YES, MA'AM. SO I THINK IT'S GOING TO TURN OUT TO BE A LITTLE NICER THAN. OF COURSE, THE FIRST DRAWING WE SENT OUT WAS SIMPLY A DRAWING. IT WASN'T REALLY, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE ROAD WAS INTENDED TO GO. AND I THINK WE GOT OFF ON THE BAD FOOT WITH SOME OF THE FOLKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THAT. BUT WE HAVE SINCE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS FOR THEM TO COME TO AND SHOWN THEM ABOUT WHERE THE ROAD IS GOING TO BE LOCATED. AND I THINK WE HAVE GOT GOT PEOPLE, A LOT OF FOLKS IN FAVOR OF THAT ROAD. NOW, THEY'RE ALWAYS GOING TO BE SOME THAT JUST DON'T THINK THE ROAD NEEDS TO EXIST. BUT I THINK WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB OF KEITH AND THE STAFF, AND CERTAINLY THE CONSULTANTS HAVE COME AND ANSWERED EVERY SINGLE PERSON'S QUESTION THEY COULD POSSIBLY ANSWER, AND THEY HAVE PUT ALL OF THEIR QUESTIONS ON THEIR WEBSITE SO THAT EVERYONE CAN SEE THEM, EVEN THOSE THAT WERE UNABLE TO ATTEND THE MEETING. SO THE CONSULTANTS HAVE DONE A VERY THOROUGH JOB OF COMMUNICATING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. MA'AM. MISTER CHAIRMAN. YES, SIR. WHAT IS THE TYPICAL SECTION OF THIS RIGHT OF WAY, STARTING WITH THE RIGHT OF WAY, WITH NUMBER OF LANES THAT WE'RE DESIGNING FOR. ULTIMATELY, I THINK WE'RE ONLY GOING TO BUILD TWO TO BEGIN WITH, BUT. YES, SIR. SO THIS IS A212 LANE LIMITED ACCESS ROADWAY. THE RIGHT OF WAY. TYPICAL SECTION WITHOUT CALLING THE CONSULTANTS DOWN, AND THEY ARE COMING DOWN. SO WE WANTED THEM TO COME UP TO EARN ALL THIS. YEAH, YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT. ENGINEERS LOVE TO COME TO THE PODIUM. I CAN SEE THE SMILE ON THEIR FACES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IF YOU SAY SO, SIR. WE DO HAVE A RATHER LARGE TYPICAL SECTION, AND I'M SURE THE TEAM CAN SPEAK TO THAT. ONE OF THE COMPONENTS OF THIS ROADWAY. PANAMA CITY BEACH IS IN DIRE NEED OF LOOPING THEIR WATER SYSTEM. SO THIS IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THIS PROJECT. THEY WILL LOOP THEIR SYSTEM ALONG THIS RIGHT OF WHITE CORRIDOR, WHICH GREATLY BENEFITS THE CUSTOMERS AND THE CITIZENS OUT AT THE BEACH. SO THAT'S A PART OF THE PROJECT. OF COURSE, THE PATH IS PART OF THE PROJECT AS TO THE EXACT SIZE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY WITH. I'LL TURN THAT OVER TO THE TEAM. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS DEXTER GORDON MULLER, GORDON MULLER ENGINEERING. SO. YES, SIR. WE WERE LOOKING AT A 200 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY SOMEWHERE. AND THAT'S OUR PRELIMINARY DESIGN WHERE THIS IS SORT OF PICKING THE ALIGNMENTS A BIG DEAL. SO AS WE GET INTO THE FINAL, YOU KNOW, CONTINUING ON TO DESIGN THAT WILL FURTHER IDENTIFY THAT. BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT 200 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY, AS KEITH SAID, YOU KNOW, TWO, TWO LANES. WE'RE LOOKING AT A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ANGLES ON THE ACTUAL TYPICAL SECTION FOREST, CURB AND GUTTER, AND THE BEST WAY TO HANDLE STORMWATER. BUT WITH US PICKING THE ALIGNMENT THAT'S GOING TO HELP US NAIL SOME OF THOSE DESIGN DECISIONS DOWN AS YOU WILL ALSO CONTINUE THE GALE'S TRAIL, THERE WILL BE A SECTION THAT WILL ACTUALLY BE GALE'S TRAIL SEPARATED FROM THE ROAD, AS WELL AS A SECTION THAT WILL ACTUALLY BE ALONGSIDE THE ROAD THAT WILL PROVIDE THAT CONNECTIVITY ALL THE WAY TO CHIPS HILL. AND SO AS FAR AS WITH US HAVING THE ALIGNMENT NOW AND BEING ABLE TO REALLY DIG DOWN AND MAKE THOSE DESIGN DECISIONS. [00:35:03] BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT 200 FOOT RIGHT AWAY, TWO LANES, AS WELL AS A SHARED USE TRAIL THAT'S GOING TO PROVIDE A LOT OF CONNECTIVITY AS WELL AS SOME UTILITIES THAT ANY KIND OF GOLF CART PATH WITHIN THAT JUST THE 12 FOOT SHARED USE PATH, THOSE TYPICALLY ARE NON-MOTORIZED. BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. AND THAT AND WITH IT BEING LIMITED ACCESS, IS IT GOING TO HAVE A HIGHER SPEED. IT WILL BE A 45 MILE AN HOUR DESIGN SPEED. AND BECAUSE WE'RE SEVERING THAT MITIGATION BANK, ARE WE HAVING TO ELEVATE THIS ROADWAY TO HAVE WILDLIFE CROSSINGS. SO THAT'S SOMEWHAT GOING TO DRIVE THE ELEVATION OF THE ROADWAY. THE PROFILE OF THE ROADWAY IS GOING TO BE SOMEWHAT TIED TO THE ELEVATIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE. AND WE HAVE SET THOSE. WE'RE LOOKING AT ALMOST TEN PLUS FEET OF FILL IN SOME SECTIONS, AND THEN WE'LL PROBABLY LOOK AT SOME INDIVIDUAL DRAINAGE CROSSINGS AS WELL AS PROBABLY THERE IS A SLEW THAT'S THROUGH THERE THAT WILL HAVE TO ELEVATE AND CROSS AS WELL WITH A BRIDGE. IS THAT LIKE WILDLIFE CROSSING AS WELL? OR THEY'LL PROBABLY BE WITH THE AGENCIES. YEAH, THAT'LL BE DETERMINED AS PROBABLY AS WE GET TO REALLY INTO THE MORE DETAILED PERMITTING. OKAY. AND WITH US I AGREE. FOR THE RESIDENTS, THE NORTHERN ROUTE IS THE BEST WAY. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE WILL LIMIT THE NOISE. IS THERE A BIG COST DRIVING FACTOR BY SHIFTING FURTHER NORTH? BECAUSE THAT WAS GOING TO BE A LITTLE HIGHER IN COST JUST THROUGH THE ADDITIONAL LENGTH. BUT IS IT THE MOST EXPENSIVE ROUTE? HOW ABOUT THAT? I WOULD SAY IT'S PROBABLY THE MOST EXPENSIVE ROUTE. OKAY. BUT IT'S THE LEAST INTRUSIVE. ARE THE AGENCIES ON BOARD YET? HAVE WE APPROACHED DEP AND THE CORPS ABOUT THESE YET? YEAH. WE'VE HAD PRELIMINARY MEETINGS WITH SO THE PROCESS WENT THROUGH. THAT ALLOWED US TO UTILIZE WHAT'S CALLED THE TDM PROCESS. THAT'S TO EARLY TRANSPORTATION DECISION MAKING. SO THE PROJECT WAS VETTED TO IT'S A IT'S A LIST OF ABOUT 67 AGENCIES, OF WHICH DEP, U.S. FISH AND WILDLIFE, THE ARMY CORPS AND SUCH ARE IN THEIR WHO DEP IS THE MITIGATION BANK SPONSOR WITH SAINT JOE BEING THE OWNER. WE'VE HAD SEVERAL FOLLOW UP MEETINGS WITH THEM IN LIKE, KIND OF LIKE A JOINT AGENCY MEETINGS TO GET THEIR PRELIMINARY CONCERNS. AS DEXTER INDICATED, YOU KNOW, THEY THEY DO NOT LIKE TO SPEAK CONCEPTUALLY. RIGHT. IT'S LIKE THIS IS A LINE AND THEN THEIR IDEAS. AND SO WHEN YOU GET THE LINE AND AS WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS NOW, GET TO THAT NORTHERN LINE, THAT'S WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR FOOTPRINT AND THEY'RE WILLING TO SPEAK MORE SPECIFICALLY TO IT. AND SAINT JOE IS ABLE TO SPEAK TO WHAT IS OCCURRING. SO THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS YES. WE'VE BEGUN CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM. WE UNDERSTAND AND HAVE DOCUMENTED THEIR CONCERNS. WE'VE DOCUMENTED WHAT WE BELIEVE ARE GOING TO BE THERE. REQUIREMENTS AND AND ISSUES MOVING FORWARD. BUT THEN AS YOU GET INTO PERMITTING, THAT'S WHEN THOSE OFFICIAL CONVERSATIONS BEGIN AND HAPPEN IN EARNEST. AND SO THAT AND IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO SAINT JOE. I MEAN, THEY THEY CREATED ALL THIS PRIOR TO BASICALLY WATER MANAGEMENT BEING IN OUR AREA. SO THEY BASICALLY SET KIND OF THE RULES. AND WATER MANAGEMENT SEEMS TO KIND OF FOLLOW THE SAME RULES. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WE'RE NOT JEOPARDIZING ALL THE WORK AND EVERYTHING THAT THEY HAVE DONE TO CREATE THESE LAND BANKS, BECAUSE IT'S A BIG DEAL. RIGHT? RIGHT. ABSOLUTELY. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT GOING TOO FAR DOWN THE PATH TO GETTING. NOPE. SORRY. YOU CAN'T GO THIS WAY. YEAH, IT YOU KNOW, IT REALLY IS KIND OF A CHICKEN AND EGG SITUATION. AND SOMETIMES IT CAN BE A LITTLE BIT GRAYER. LIKE, WHERE'S THE CHICKEN, WHERE'S THE EGG? AND IT BUT ULTIMATELY LIKE LIKE KEITH HAS SAID, IS IN ORDER TO PROGRESS THOSE CONVERSATIONS, TO CONFIRM THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD UP TO THIS POINT, IDENTIFYING THE LINE AND THE FOOTPRINT SO THAT WE'RE ALL AT THE TABLE DISCUSSING, PERMITTING, AND MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT IS IS THE BEST PATH FORWARD AT THIS POINT IN TIME TO BE ABLE TO PROGRESS TOWARD THAT. SO. SO KNOW THE THE CONCERNS THAT YOU BRING UP ARE THE ABSOLUTE INTERESTS OF THE TEAM TO CONTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF THAT AND THE BANK AND HOW WE MOVE FORWARD. AND WE'RE UTILIZING A COUPLE OF OTHER BANK EXPERTS THAT DO THIS AROUND THE STATE OF FLORIDA, ALONG WITH OUR BIOLOGICAL TEAM, TO TO HELP FURTHER THOSE CONVERSATIONS. SO WHAT PORTION OF IT IS ACTUALLY LAND BANK MITIGATED IS THE MAJORITY OF IT. SO IF YOU CAN SEE, I'M SURE YOU GUYS CAN SEE ON YOUR SCREENS WHAT I'M LOOKING AT ABOVE ME HERE. SO THE LIGHTEST GREEN SHADED AREA NORTH RIGHT. THAT IS THE BREAKFAST POINT MITIGATION BANK HOLE. THE DARK GREEN BLOCKED WITHIN THAT IS THE CONSERVATION AREA WITHIN THE MITIGATION BANK. SO THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S BREAKFAST POINT RIGHT THERE. YEAH. SO THE THE POINT OF THE LINE. THE DARK BLUE LINE ON THE TOP. YOU KNOW, WHATEVER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THAT MIDDLE THIRD IS WHAT'S THROUGH THE BANK. AND YOU CAN SEE HOW WE'VE BROUGHT THE LINE DOWN AS FAR AS POSSIBLE. ONCE WE GET PAST THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO, YOU KNOW, AS, AS BEST POSSIBLE, MINIMIZE THE INVOLVEMENT WITH THE BANK. THANK YOU. SO AS PART OF THIS PROCESS, THIS OBVIOUSLY IS CRUCIAL. SO WE CAN KEEP GOING. CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT TIMELINE FROM HERE? [00:40:04] BECAUSE I KNOW FOR 22 YEARS I'VE LIVED IN THE COVE AND DRIVEN TO THE WEST END OF THAT BEACH BECAUSE MY OFFICE IS PAST 79. SO THIS IS I'LL GO ON RECORD. HIGHLY NEEDED. WE ALL KNOW THIS IS NEEDED WHEN WHEN BACK BEACH TRIPS, 85,000 CARS A DAY. THAT'S THAT'S TOO MUCH FOR THAT ROADWAY. EVEN SIX LANDING. IT'S PROBABLY STILL GOING TO BE A YEAR AND A HALF. SO. YES, SIR. AND I THINK THAT'S SEEN BY THE DOT BEING ONE OF THE SUPPLIERS OF FUNDS FOR THIS PROJECT. THE LEGISLATURE FOR THE FOR THE SECOND TIME THIS YEAR PUT FUNDING TOWARDS THIS PROJECT. SO THE LEGISLATURE SEES THE NEED FOR THE DOT, SEATS. THE NEED FOR THE SIX LANING IS GOING TO SHORTLY AFTER THE OPENING FELL, JUST DUE TO THE EXCESSIVE VOLUME ON PANAMA CITY BEACH PARKWAY, ESPECIALLY WITH FIVE NEW SIGNALS COMING ALONG THE CORRIDOR WITH THE ROUTE SELECTION. AS THE TEAM SAID, THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT ROUTE GETTING NOW BETTER, A BETTER ALIGNMENT, A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE THE ALIGNMENT WILL BE WITH THE AGENCIES, WHERE WE CAN MOVE FORWARD ON WHAT THIS PATH IS GOING TO TAKE FOR US TO GET TO THE FINAL PRODUCT. SO TIME WISE CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? YEAH. VINCE, AS FAR WITH KIMLEY-HORN THE TIMELINE WE ARE, WE ARE UNDER CONTRACT TO DO BOTH THIS PDA STUDY, THE PHASE WE'RE CURRENTLY IN AND THE DESIGN. AND SO THIS STEP OF ESTABLISHING THIS ALIGNMENT, AS KEITH MENTIONED, AS DEXTER MENTIONED, IS REALLY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, GIVING US A, A RESOLUTE, YOU KNOW, HERE IS THE THE CORRIDOR THAT WE'RE GOING TO STAY WITHIN THAT IS GOING TO ALLOW US TO COLLECT THE GEOTECHNICAL INFORMATION, SOME OF THE SURVEY INFORMATION THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO YET. THERE ARE SOME LIMITS ON WHAT YOU CAN DO INSIDE THAT MITIGATION BANK. BEFORE WE HAVE THIS ALIGNMENT AND BEFORE WE BEGIN THE PROCESS TO TO CONDEMN THAT. SO FROM HERE, WE ANTICIPATE ABOUT A TWO YEAR DESIGN PROCESS INTO ONCE WE HAVE THAT DATA AND COLLECT THAT DATA AND BEGIN TO GET THAT INFORMATION AND REALLY FINE TUNE THOSE ASPECTS OF THE DESIGN FOR THE ROADWAY. WITH A LOT OF REVIEW AT THE COUNTY LEVEL AS WELL AS AT THE DOT LEVEL, BECAUSE THEY ARE PARTNERS IN THIS. AND ALTHOUGH THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE SIGNATORY ON ON THE NEPA STUDY, THE PROJECT DEVELOPMENT AND ENVIRONMENT STUDY, THEY HAVE OFFERED TO BE PARTNERS WITH IT AND TO HELP PURSUE FUNDING IN THE FUTURE. GREAT. ROBERT, I THINK YOU'D BE SURPRISED AT THE FOLKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS WERE EXACTLY THEIR QUESTIONS. THEY'RE VERY, VERY SMART GROUP OVER THERE. AND THEY AND THEY ASK A LOT OF THE SAME, SAME THINGS THAT YOU DID. AND I'VE SPOKEN TO SEVERAL IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I THINK IT'S EXCITING AND I THANK THE TEAM FOR MOVING FORWARD, AND WE CAN GET THAT TWO YEARS DOWN TO A YEAR AND A HALF OR SO. BE EVEN BETTER. SO NO PRESSURE. GUYS, THANK YOU ALL FOR SPEAKING. OKAY, HERE YOU GO. KEITH, I HAVE A QUESTION. MAYBE YOU CAN. YOU TOUCHED ON IT JUST FOR A SECOND, BUT CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC KIND OF WHERE THIS MONEY COMES FROM, HOW IT'S APPROPRIATED, HOW WE COME TO THIS CONCLUSION? BECAUSE I GET QUESTIONS ALL THE TIME, AND YOU TRY TO EXPLAIN BUCKETS OF MONEY AND HOW MUCH MONEY WORKS AND STATE MONEY, DOT MONEY'S COUNTY MONIES. CAN YOU CAN YOU KIND OF TELL THE PUBLIC KIND OF HOW THIS PROJECT CAME TO FRUITION AND THE MONIES. YES, SIR. SO ORIGINALLY BAY COUNTY RECEIVED A $2 MILLION ALLOCATION FROM THE LEGISLATURE TO DO THIS STUDY DESIGN PROJECT. THE NEED HAS BEEN WELL ESTABLISHED FOR MANY YEARS THAT WE NEEDED ANOTHER CORRIDOR TO MOVE EAST WEST TRAFFIC AT THE BEACH. NOT TO TO MAKE LIGHT OF OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE WEST, BUT WE DO NOT WANT TO BECOME DESTINED WHERE WE HAVE SUCH A BOTTLENECK TRYING TO GET THROUGH TOWN. SO THE LEGISLATURE APPROPRIATED TO ME, AND THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION REACHED OUT WHEN WE RECEIVED THE 2 MILLION AND SAID, HEY, WE UNDERSTAND THAT'S NOT ENOUGH FUNDS TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. THEY AWARDED THE COUNTY A TRIP GRANT FOR $2 MILLION. THAT GOT US TO THE LEVEL THAT WE WERE, WE WERE AT UNTIL UNTIL RECENTLY. THE LEGISLATURE JUST APPROPRIATED ANOTHER MILLION DOLLARS THIS YEAR TO ASSIST WITH THE MITIGATION BANK COST. THE PROPERTY THAT'S THROUGH THE MITIGATION BANK IS NOT VERY VALUABLE PROPERTY. I'LL BE HONEST, IT'S WET, BUT IT IS VERY VALUABLE IN THAT IT'S PART OF THE BANK AND THE COUNTY IS GOING TO HAVE TO REIMBURSE THE BANK OWNER FOR THE LOSS OF MITIGATION CREDITS THAT WILL OCCUR WHEN WE BUILD THE ROAD. SO THAT'S A LARGER COST THAN ACTUAL PROPERTY COST. SO WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE SURTAX COST AND THE LEGISLATURE IS HELPING US WITH THAT. YOU'RE WELCOME. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. DISCUSSION AMONGST OURSELVES OR DO I GET A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION. SECOND MOTION, A SECOND. IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. COMMISSIONER. PEACE. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER CARROLL. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER CROSBY. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER RAYFIELD. YES, MA'AM. CHAIRMAN MOORE. YES, MA'AM. WE MOVE ON NOW TO THE PUBLIC HEARING SECTION. [County Attorney] [00:45:02] THIS IS COUNTY ATTORNEY NUMBER 16. REVISIONS TO CHAPTER 11 OF THE BAY COUNTY CODE OF ORDINANCES. MR. CHAIRMAN THIS REGARDS REVISIONS TO CHAPTER 11, WHICH IS THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES SECTION ALSO INCLUDES AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH IS WHAT THE AMENDMENTS DEAL WITH PRIMARILY. THERE ARE SOME REFERENCES TO REGULATIONS THAT HAVE, SINCE BEEN MOVED TO ANOTHER LOCATION. THERE WAS A REFERENCE TO A PREDECESSOR OF THE CURRENT EL HAC, WHICH IS THE COMMITTEE THAT OVERSEES THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROGRAM. WHICH WAS OUTDATED. AND THERE WAS ACTUALLY A REFERENCE TO A PARTICULAR COMPANY THAT INITIALLY HELPED THE COUNTY WITH THE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT IN THE EARLY 1990S. THAT'S HOW LONG THIS CHAPTER HAS BEEN SINCE IT'S BEEN AMENDED SIGNIFICANTLY. SO WE'RE JUST REMOVING OBSOLETE PROVISIONS AND CHANGING OTHER PROVISIONS TO, TO MATCH CURRENT LAW. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE CAN GET A MOTION. CARRYING. MOTION TO APPROVE. OH. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU. PUBLIC HEARING. IS ANYBODY HERE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS? OKAY. AND WE'VE GOT A MOTION NOW FROM COMMISSIONER CROSBY. CAN I GET A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT. MOTION AND A SECOND. NOBODY SPOKE. OKAY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. COMMISSIONER CROSBY. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER RAPHAEL. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER CARROLL. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER. PEACE. YES, MA'AM. CHAIRMAN. MOORE. YES, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT. NEXT, WE HAVE NOTICE OF PUBLICATION FOR SERVICE ASSESSMENTS ORDINANCE. MISS BEVERLY MCALLISTER. CHAIRMAN. COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONERS. IN 2022, THE LEGISLATURE AMENDED FLORIDA STATUTE SECTION 50.011, WHICH BASICALLY JUST ALLOWS THE COUNTY TO USE A PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE WEBSITE FOR NOTICING AS OPPOSED TO THE NEWSPAPER, I'M SURE, BECAUSE NOT AS MANY PEOPLE GET THE NEWSPAPER WITH TECHNOLOGY AND RISING COSTS, AND THE COUNTY HAS A PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE WEBSITE. THIS WE ARE JUST ASKING TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE TO CLARIFY THAT PUBLICATION ON THE COUNTY'S PUBLIC, ACCESSIBLE, PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE WEBSITE SATISFIES THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE FLORIDA STATUTES FOR PURPOSES OF NOTICING ASSESSMENTS. SO IT'S BASICALLY JUST LINING UP WITH THE FLORIDA STATUTES. AND SO WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU WOULD ADOPT THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO SECTIONS 2114 AND 21. 129 QUESTION FOLKS THAT DON'T HAVE INTERNET. WELL, WE STILL HAVE WELL, THEY STILL HAVE A WAY TO GET A PUBLICATION OR A NOTICE OR OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE. ELDERLY FOLKS. WELL, I KNOW SOME OF THEM, LIKE, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE ASSESSMENT IS THE CLEANING STUFF GOES OUT WITH THE PART OF, LIKE, THE TRUTH. AND MILLAGE MIGHT COME OUT FROM THE PROPERTY APPRAISER. WE ALSO DO SOME POSTING ON THE OUTSIDE AT THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. SO THERE ARE OTHER MEANS. MR.. COMMISSIONER THE THE STATUTE THAT CREATES THIS MECHANISM ALSO ALLOWS PEOPLE TO ASK THE COMMISSION TO SEND THEM NOTICES THAT WOULD GO ON THE WEBSITE. SO IF IF THEY ARE INTERESTED IN GETTING MAILED NOTICES, THEY CAN REQUEST THAT. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY CITIZENS WHO HAVE USED THAT. AND THERE IS A REQUIREMENT THAT WE PUT SOMETHING IN THE NEWSPAPER ONCE A YEAR LETTING THEM KNOW ABOUT THAT. WE DO THIS THROUGH THE WEBSITE AND WHAT THEIR WHAT THEIR RIGHTS ARE. AND OF COURSE, THE LIBRARY HAS INTERNET ACCESS FOR ANYBODY WHO DOESN'T HAVE COMPUTER ACCESS AT HOME. QUESTIONS FOR BEVERLY. COMMISSIONER CAROL REMINDED ME JUST A SECOND AGO. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS MATTER? OKAY. SEEING NONE, CAN I GET A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND MOTION. AND A SECOND WOULD PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. COMMISSIONER CARROLL. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER. PEACE. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER CROSBY. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER BARFIELD. YES, MA'AM. CHAIRMAN MOORE. YES, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT. LAST ITEM. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, MR. [Community Development] WAYNE PORTER, PLL, DOCTOR, 2025 0105. LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, CHAPTER 13 REVISIONS REPORT. [00:50:12] THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. ON JUNE 17TH, 2025, THE BAY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION CONDUCTED A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER REQUESTS FROM STAFF TO REVISE CHAPTER 13 OF THE BAY COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. THIS IS THE CHAPTER OF THE COVERS. SPECIAL USES AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING. THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED TO FIND THE RECOMMENDED TEXT AMENDMENTS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. COUNTY STAFF IS PROPOSING TEXT AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER 13 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. THOSE INCLUDE SECTION 1302, WHICH REVISES LANGUAGE TO BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS IN REGARD TO HOME OCCUPATIONS AND HOME OFFICES OF CONVENIENCE. SECTION 1303 CORRECTS AN INCONSISTENCY WITH THE DEFINITION OF A NIGHTCLUB, WITH THAT OF THE DEFINITION NOTED IN THE APPENDIX A DEFINITIONS, AND IT ALSO CORRECTS A REFERENCE TO A DIFFERENT SECTION OF THE LDR IN REFERENCE TO NONCONFORMING USES. SECTION 1304 INCLUDES EXISTING LANGUAGE FROM SECTION 3.5 OF THE BAY COUNTY CODE OF ORDINANCES REGARDING THE ZONING REGULATIONS OF ADULT USES. SECTION 1305 PROVIDES LANGUAGE TO ALLOW AN ORNAMENTAL FENCE AS HIGH AS EIGHT FEET WITHIN THE FRONT YARD SETBACK, WITH A MINIMUM OPACITY OF 25%, AND IN SECTION 1306 REVISES THE REGULATIONS REGARDING CANNABIS DISPENSING FACILITIES TO BE COMPLIANT WITH STATUTORY PREEMPTION REQUIREMENTS. STAFF AGREES WITH PLANNING COMMISSION AND RECOMMENDS THE BOARD CONDUCT PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS, AND ADOPT THE ATTACHED ORDINANCE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. QUESTIONS FOR WAYNE. WAYNE. WHAT IS THE CURRENT FRONT YARD? FENCE. SO CURRENTLY THE CODE SAYS THAT IF YOU HAVE A FENCE WITHIN THE FRONT YARD SETBACK, YOU CAN HAVE OFFENSE WITHIN THE FRONT YARD SETBACK BUILDING SETBACK. HOWEVER, IF IT'S WITHIN THAT, WHATEVER IT MAY BE 20 FOOT SETBACK, IT CANNOT EXCEED FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT. SO THIS WOULD. THIS REVISION WOULD ALLOW LANGUAGE WITH CERTAIN ARCHITECTURAL ESTHETIC REQUIREMENTS TO BE AS HIGH AS EIGHT FEET. YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SEE THROUGH IT. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE PAYING. CORRECT? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR WAYNE? IT'S WAYNE. YES, SIR. MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU DON'T MIND. I KNOW THIS IS. WE'RE ADDING THE ORNAMENTAL, BUT ON A FACILITY THAT HAS LIKE WE REQUIRE, IF YOU STORE CARS, BOATS, IT HAS TO HAVE A PRIVACY FENCE. THE PRIVACY FENCE WOULD HAVE TO BE SET AT THE FRONT. SETBACK. RIGHT? EVEN IF SO, IF IT WAS STORING BOATS OR CARS, NO BUILDINGS. THE FENCE WOULD HAVE TO BE 25FT IN. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. IF YOU HAVE A TYPE OF, A PROPERTY USE DEVELOPMENT THAT REQUIRES SCREENING LIKE AN OPEN STORAGE TYPE FACILITY. THE SCREENING REQUIREMENTS IN CHAPTER 35 REQUIRE THEY MUST BE AT LEAST SIX FEET HIGH. THEREFORE, AND IN THAT SITUATION THEY HAVE TO BE SCREENED FOR PUBLIC USE. SO YOU CAN'T ALLOW ANY OPACITY. SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO SET BACK YOUR FENCE FOR SCREENING PURPOSES, AT LEAST WITHIN BEYOND THE, THE BUILDING FRONT SETBACK TO BE ABLE TO REACH THAT SIX FOOT HEIGHT. BUT IF IT WERE SALES OR SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE YOUR PROPERTY IS SECURED, YOU COULD HAVE A SIX FOOT OPAQUE FENCE AT THE FRONT SETBACK. CORRECT. WE THE LDR, DOES NOT REQUIRE SCREENING FOR THINGS LIKE AUTOMOTIVE SALES LOTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT INVENTORY OBVIOUSLY NEEDS TO BE ON DISPLAY TO BE CLEAR. IS THAT WHY WE WOULD. WE CAN'T BE OPAQUE. I'M SORRY. SO THE ONES THAT HAS TO BE THE SILENT HAS TO BE 25FT. THAT'S BECAUSE. IS THERE CONCERN THAT IT'S JUNK OR. I'M JUST TRYING TO. WE RECENTLY HAD THIS CONVERSATION. THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT IT'D BE A GREAT TIME TO BRING IT UP. SO WHAT DROVE THAT WAS ESSENTIALLY JUNKYARDS. SO WE HAD JUNKYARDS POPPING UP IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS OVER THE COUNTY. THE JUNKYARDS WERE ALLOWED FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE, BUT THE PUBLIC THOUGHT THEY WERE UNSIGHTLY. SO YOU HAVE THIS REQUIREMENT IN THE CODE THAT REQUIRES AN ESTABLISHMENT LIKE THAT TO HAVE A FENCE THAT YOU CAN'T SEE THROUGH. SO THEY'RE THEY'RE LEGALLY ALLOWED TO HAVE THEIR JUNKYARD THERE. THE PUBLIC JUST DOESN'T WANT TO DRIVE BY AND SEE A JUNKYARD. SO YOU HAVE THAT REQUIREMENT FOR THE, FOR THE FOR THE FENCE TO BE NON OPAQUE. BUT I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE 25FT BACK? WHY CAN'T IT JUST BE AT THE PROPERTY LINE? OR WHY CAN'T IT BE AT THE BUFFER LINE? AND THEN WE'VE GOT LANDSCAPING IN FRONT OF IT. AND JUST BECAUSE IT IS A FENCE AND THE FENCE [00:55:03] REGULATIONS CURRENTLY SAY IN CHAPTER 13 THAT IN ORDER TO BE HIGHER THAN FOUR FEET, YOU HAVE TO SET THE FENCE BACK. TO THE FRONT. BUILDING SETBACK. PURPOSES. BEING ABLE TO PULL IN OUT OF LOTS AND BEING ABLE TO RIGHT UP AGAINST EXIT VISION TRIANGLE SAFETY PURPOSES. I THINK ALSO EMERGENCY RESPONSE PURPOSES AS WELL. I HAVE ANOTHER THOUGHT, BUT WE'LL WE MAY HAVE TO ADDRESS IT LATER. JUST CURIOUS ON. I THINK LANDSCAPING PURPOSES WOULD AT LEAST BE TEN FEET BACK. THE 25 I JUST I DON'T HAVE A HARD TIME. CAN'T USE ALL OF YOUR PROPERTY BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF USE. BUT ANYWAY, WE'LL SAVE THAT FOR ANOTHER DAY. THANK YOU. SIR, CAN YOU BREAK DOWN THE SECTION 1303? WE'RE CORRECTING THE INCONSISTENCY WITH THE DEFINITION OF NIGHTCLUB. CAN YOU KIND OF TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT? SURE IT WAS THE LANGUAGE WITHIN 1303. DEFINE A NIGHTCLUB. IS ANY PREMISE DEVOTED DURING ANY TIME OF OPERATION, PREDOMINANTLY OR TOTALLY TO SERVING ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES FOR CONSUMPTION ON THE LICENSED PREMISES IN WHICH THE SERVING OF FOOD, IF ANY, IS MERELY INCIDENTAL TO THE CONSUMPTION OF SUCH BEVERAGE AND THE HOURS OF OPERATION ROUTINELY EXTENDED BEYOND 11 P.M.. SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO REMOVE THAT DEFINITION, AS IT IS DIFFERENT FROM THE DEFINITION NOTED IN OUR DEFINITIONS APPENDIX. AND I CAN READ THAT TO YOU, WHICH SAYS A PLACE OF BUSINESS OPERATED AS AUTHORIZED UNDER STATE BEVERAGE LAWS, WHERE THE SALE SERVING AN ON PREMISES CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES ACCOUNTS FOR MORE THAN 51% OF THE BUSINESS REVENUES AND THE HOURS OF THE HOURS OF OPERATION ROUTINELY EXTEND BEYOND 11 P.M., SO IT'S JUST CLEANING UP THAT LANGUAGE TO MAKE IT LITERALLY BASICALLY LIFTING THE DEFINITION IN THE APPENDIX. DO THE WORK. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR WAYNE? THANK YOU. WAYNE. THIS IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. IS THERE ANYTHING, ANYONE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO THE ITEMS BROUGHT FORWARD HERE ON THIS? ALL RIGHT. SEEING A COUPLE OF YAWNS AND NOBODY WALKED FORWARD, I'D SAY THAT'S A NO. SO WE MOVE ON. NEXT, WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT MOTION. OH. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU A MOTION. CAN I GET A MOTION? A MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND MOTION. AND SECOND, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. COMMISSIONER CROSBY. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER RAPHAEL. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER CARROLL. YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER PS. YES, MA'AM. CHAIRMAN. MOORE. YES, MA'AM. NOW WE'RE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT. ANYTHING. IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO ANYTHING YOU THINK THE COUNTY MAY HAVE AUTHORITY OVER. PLEASE COME FORWARD. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. OKAY. SEEING NONE, WE MOVE ON. COUNTY ATTORNEY'S REPORT. THE REPORT, MR. CHAIRMAN. COUNTY MANAGER'S REPORT. NOTHING FROM STAFF, MR. CHAIRMAN. ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER. COMMENTS. CHANGE THIS UP A LITTLE BIT. WE'LL START WITH COMMISSIONER RAFAEL. [CHAIRMAN & COMMISSIONER COMMENTS] I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TODAY OTHER THAN STAY HYDRATED. THE HEAT INDEX TODAY, I THINK IS LIKE 2 MILLION SQUABBLES OR SOMETHING OUTSIDE. SO WHERE SUNBLOCK AND CARRY AN UMBRELLA IF YOU HAVE ONE IN THE VEHICLE. THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY. I WANT TO SEE YOU WALKING WITH AN UMBRELLA. YOU NEVER KNOW. ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER CARROLL. YES, SIR. JUST A COUPLE OF ITEMS. ONE, I'D LIKE TO WELCOME BLAIR SANDERS SAUNDERS IN THE AUDIENCE. HE IS NEW TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. HE IS AN ALABAMA GRAD, AND FIRST GAME OF THE FOOTBALL SEASON WILL BE AGAINST OUR MIGHTY FSU NOLES. SO GO NOLES JUST TO GET THAT IN AHEAD OF TIME. AND SECONDLY, I WOULD LIKE TO CONGRATULATE TIM SMITH. HE IS OUR NEW FDOT SECRETARY. MR. GAYNOR HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY GENEROUS AND GREAT DEBATE COUNTY. WE WISH HIM WELL IN HIS RETIREMENT. AND TIM SMITH I KNOW WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT ROLE JUST AS WELL. BUT KEITH BRYANT WITH OUR STAFF THEY HAVE CREATED AN INCREDIBLE RELATIONSHIP THAT ALLOWS US TO PARTNER WITH THEM. OUR SURTAX ALLOWS US TO LEVERAGE THOSE DOLLARS AND GET ALL THESE PROJECTS GOING IN BAY COUNTY. SO WE WANT TO WELCOME TIM SMITH. AND FOR HIM, HIS ROLE TAKING OVER. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. COMMISSIONER CROSBY, I HOPE EVERYONE HAD A GREAT 4TH OF JULY HOLIDAY. JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT BACK TO SCHOOL TAX HOLIDAY IS THE ENTIRE MONTH OF AUGUST, AND THE BAY DISTRICT SCHOOLS GO BACK ON AUGUST 11TH. SO RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER, ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SIR. COMMISSIONER PIECE, I'D LIKE TO WELCOME OUR NEW TDC BOARD MEMBER, JASON BLANKS. [01:00:09] I HAD A CHANCE TO GET TO KNOW HIM SOME, AND I'M EXCITED ABOUT BEING ABLE TO SERVE WITH HIM ON THE TDC. I THINK HE HAS A LOT TO BRING TO OUR TO OUR BOARD. I WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT WE HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN ABOUT THE OLD PASS. WE ARE STILL WORKING ON THE PERMITTING. IT IS A SLOW AND PAINFUL PROCESS, TO SAY THE LEAST. I DO WANT TO THANK THE CITIES THAT HAVE SENT A LETTER. SENT LETTERS IN FOR US PANAMA CITY AND PANAMA CITY BEACH HAVE, I THINK, AND MAYBE CALLAWAY HAS ALREADY SENT IN A LETTER. SO SENATOR TRUMBULL SENT A LETTER IN AND GRIFF GRIFFITHS, I THINK IS WORKING ON ONE NOW. SO JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY IF YOU HAVE A CHANCE AND YOU HAVE NOT DONE SO, PLEASE SEND A LETTER IN WITH YOUR SUPPORT OF OPENING THIS PASS. I THINK THEY THE LETTERS REALLY HELP, ESPECIALLY FROM JUST INDIVIDUALS THAT WANT, YOU KNOW, KNOW THAT IT WOULD MAKE AN INCREDIBLE DIFFERENCE IN OUR DAY. SO WE'RE WORKING HARD ON THAT. IT IS WE'VE GOT SOME NEW THINGS IN THE WORKS FOR IT, AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THIS PROCESS SPED UP A LITTLE BIT, BUT THAT'S ALL I HAD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. LASTLY, I ECHO WHAT ROBERT SAID ABOUT TIM. CONGRATULATIONS TO HIM. HE'S BEEN AN EXCELLENT PARTNER TO THE COUNTY, WORKING ALONGSIDE SECRETARY GAYNOR. LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO BUILD ON THAT RELATIONSHIP. AND WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.